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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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AnxiousRose · 11/12/2024 12:07

I don't know why this thread is still up. Claiming that many Irish people support terrorist organisations is wrong.
Also acknowledging that OPs friends comments are also wrong.

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 12:12

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 11:09

@JaneJeffer

Please read the Scottish poster's above post.
Her small child has been violently attacked in school for being Jewish.

And that's in Scotland, which is not anywhere as anti - Jew as Ireland.

Please provide evidence of Ireland being anti- Jew, otherwise you're coming across as very ignorant and misinformed

Freeyourminds · 11/12/2024 12:28

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:40

I should have known mentioning the fucking IRA would trigger everyone. I shouldn't have mentioned it. It's still true through.

It wasn’t relevant to your post, all you’ve done is doubled down on it, by saying a lot of people, which is massively generalising and that’s why it keeps coming up and even now you’re saying this is true, you’re not speaking on behalf of all people, that’s why posters are commenting, this is your opinion.There’s so much irony in what you’ve said, because you’re unable to see what you’ve said in prejudicial and divisive, not fact and your post is about extreme views!

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 11/12/2024 12:38

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 12:12

Please provide evidence of Ireland being anti- Jew, otherwise you're coming across as very ignorant and misinformed

The majority of Jewish people are in Dublin and it’s a small number. No idea if OP is part of that community
Whilst I can’t speak for all of Ireland and I don’t live in Dublin there has been news in The Times of Israel and the Jewish News about anti Semitism going unchecked.
Boys doing the Nazi salute in school dismissed as boys will be boys, for example.

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 12:45

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 12:12

Please provide evidence of Ireland being anti- Jew, otherwise you're coming across as very ignorant and misinformed

@Liv999
If you know any non Irish, non British, but continental European people living in Ireland, please ask them about their view on this.

Obviously I can't convince you over the internet but this has been my experience in Ireland as an immigrant, and the experience of my non Irish friends.

LondonLawyer · 11/12/2024 12:49

sofasofa42 · 11/12/2024 07:36

Maybe give her the benefit of the doubt. She is a bored and lonely mum to a two year old and gets a bit social media mental when she is on her own at night. My very close and hilarious friend has gone very social media weird over Israel/ Palestine and does similar to yours. I block her social media from my view and still enjoy her very funny company.
People are too quick to live and die by wattsap/ instagram at the moment with regard to their relationships. See her, give her a chance .

"Give her a chance".
"Death to the Jews"
"Not enough Jews killed in the Holocaust".
Mate. Read those again. "Weird over social media" and "overtly wishing death on an ethnic group" are not quite the same thing.
I wouldn't allow a person with these racist and violent views within a mile of my Jewish children.

the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 12:49

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 09:55

@the7Vabo @Rowen32 @Daradarina and all...

""Daradarina · Today 08:40

"The social pressure to be anti Jews, pro[] Hamas, and so forth is immense. Disagreeing makes you a social pariah and ostracized."

This is not true."

I don't know what to tell you.

As I said I'm an immigrant from Europe, and I can assure that each of my small group of Russian and Ukrainian friends would testify to exactly this.

This is what we've all seen from Irish people, in private and in public.

I've been here over 20 years, my Russian friends about 10, the Ukrainian girls obviously less (having come due to the war).

It's actually made the Ukrainian girls really sad, and sadly cynical, about Ireland and Irish people, who've otherwise treated them very nicely.

I'm struggling not to be angry at this narrative. There is no significant anti-Jewish sentiment in Ireland. There just isn't.

There is support for the people of Gaza currently which is the only humane position in my opinion, because I don't buy the narrative that Israel have no choice other than to wipe out civilians including children. And I accept that Hamas has significant support in Gaza.

That is not the same thing at all as being anti-Jewish and/or pro-Hamas.

When people were leaving Ukraine there were widespread media reports of non-white college students experiencing discrimination at borders. My perception of Eastern Europe is that it isn't a utopia for many including Jewish people based mainly on history books and media reports. Are Jewish people never discriminated against in Russia?

You and your friends are talking an interpretation of conversations when you are speaking in your second language, in another culture, in a country whose history you don't instinctively understand. And making all kinds of assumptions.

You are conflating things you don't fully understand.

You are writing on a UK website, a country that not too long ago had signs in pubs "no Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs."

I take huge issue with this, it is not far off saying - those ignorant Irish anti-Jewish Paddys, they make us so sad.

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 12:51

It's unbelievable that people are allowed to make such sweeping statements about Ireland without any evidence whatsoever and anybody who questions them gets deleted. What has happened to the moderation of this site?

the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 12:55

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 11:09

@JaneJeffer

Please read the Scottish poster's above post.
Her small child has been violently attacked in school for being Jewish.

And that's in Scotland, which is not anywhere as anti - Jew as Ireland.

Based on?? An objective peer reviewed study from the University of Edinburgh?

AnxiousRose · 11/12/2024 12:57

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 12:51

It's unbelievable that people are allowed to make such sweeping statements about Ireland without any evidence whatsoever and anybody who questions them gets deleted. What has happened to the moderation of this site?

I do not understand the moderation here at all.

Freeyourminds · 11/12/2024 12:57

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 09:49

I never said "Most" read my post again.

Splitting hairs! You said a lot, are unable to accept this is massively generalising, not fact.
I don’t agree with extreme views, not your friends, not yours, you’ve derailed your own thread by your comments, hypocrisy.

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 12:59

What derailed the thread was peoples need to make it all about them.

It's also a national characteristic of ours.

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XWKD · 11/12/2024 13:00

Irish people do NOT support the IRA or Hamas. That's a ridiculous generalisation. You will always find supporters of butchery, but it's not typical in Ireland.

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 13:02

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 12:45

@Liv999
If you know any non Irish, non British, but continental European people living in Ireland, please ask them about their view on this.

Obviously I can't convince you over the internet but this has been my experience in Ireland as an immigrant, and the experience of my non Irish friends.

And you don’t think you and your friends views that ‘Israel has no choice’ is having any impact on the type of conversations you’re having at all?

Ireland is very much anti what Israel is doing in Gaza at the moment. If you think criticism of this is equivalent to anti-semitism or means someone is pro Hamas then you are very mistaken.

XWKD · 11/12/2024 13:03

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 12:12

Please provide evidence of Ireland being anti- Jew, otherwise you're coming across as very ignorant and misinformed

Some of the ignorance on this site is terrifying!

Daradarina · 11/12/2024 13:03

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 12:59

What derailed the thread was peoples need to make it all about them.

It's also a national characteristic of ours.

Edited

You derailed your own thread OP. You said it yourself earlier.

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 11/12/2024 13:03

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 12:45

@Liv999
If you know any non Irish, non British, but continental European people living in Ireland, please ask them about their view on this.

Obviously I can't convince you over the internet but this has been my experience in Ireland as an immigrant, and the experience of my non Irish friends.

Apart from the Jewish papers I mentioned it’s being picked up by others too.
Unlike yourself @ACatNamedRobin i can’t speak from experience but the news is very worrying

AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?
the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 13:04

Freeyourminds · 11/12/2024 12:57

Splitting hairs! You said a lot, are unable to accept this is massively generalising, not fact.
I don’t agree with extreme views, not your friends, not yours, you’ve derailed your own thread by your comments, hypocrisy.

I find the hypocrisy in this thread stunning.

And then on top of it, people conflating support for the current situation in Gaza as "anti-Jewish" without any seeming appreciation for nuance. For the vast majority it has simply nothing to do with the IRA, the IRA aren't on most people's radar.

There are numerous parts of Ireland that are seen are outliers Kerry and the border counties would be top of the list. They do not represent "a lot" of Irish people.

It's widely reported that anti-Semitism is on the rise across the world. I'm sure unfortunately that Ireland is no exception to that. But we are not some bunch of Jew-hating IRA supporters.

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 13:05

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 11/12/2024 12:38

The majority of Jewish people are in Dublin and it’s a small number. No idea if OP is part of that community
Whilst I can’t speak for all of Ireland and I don’t live in Dublin there has been news in The Times of Israel and the Jewish News about anti Semitism going unchecked.
Boys doing the Nazi salute in school dismissed as boys will be boys, for example.

Edited

Boys doing the nazi salute? Is that the evidence? Does this not happen in the UK or anywhere else in the world then? Or is it just exclusive to Ireland?

JaneJeffer · 11/12/2024 13:06

You need to ask Prince Harry @Liv999 🤨

the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 13:07

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 12:59

What derailed the thread was peoples need to make it all about them.

It's also a national characteristic of ours.

Edited

Maybe stop with the racism OP. You derailed your own thread. We are now selfish on top of the Jew hating and IRA supporting.

All you have to do is acknowledge it, but you are doubling down on the racism towards Irish people for some reason.

XWKD · 11/12/2024 13:07

ACatNamedRobin · 11/12/2024 12:45

@Liv999
If you know any non Irish, non British, but continental European people living in Ireland, please ask them about their view on this.

Obviously I can't convince you over the internet but this has been my experience in Ireland as an immigrant, and the experience of my non Irish friends.

Just because you've met people who are anti-Jewish it doesn't make Irish people anti-Jewish. What you're doing here is exactly the same as anti-Jewish people. You're making generalisations.

Rowen32 · 11/12/2024 13:08

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 12:59

What derailed the thread was peoples need to make it all about them.

It's also a national characteristic of ours.

Edited

Oh my gosh, stop being so rude about Irish people "they're easily offended" "they make it all about them"

The more you talk I wonder if you're actually Irish, your attitude is appalling.

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 11/12/2024 13:08

Liv999 · 11/12/2024 13:05

Boys doing the nazi salute? Is that the evidence? Does this not happen in the UK or anywhere else in the world then? Or is it just exclusive to Ireland?

Like I said news in The Times Of Israel and the Jewish News !
I just gave an example.
Thats why I said ‘for example’ ….obviously

If anyones interested they only have to read the news

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 13:09

the7Vabo · 11/12/2024 13:07

Maybe stop with the racism OP. You derailed your own thread. We are now selfish on top of the Jew hating and IRA supporting.

All you have to do is acknowledge it, but you are doubling down on the racism towards Irish people for some reason.

I'm Irish. One can critique ones own people.

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