Passengers sigh when they remove bag off neighbouring seat on PT

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Unless you paid for two seats or have 2 passes for yourself and bag, people should not be using seat next to them for their bag(s)

Your luggage and bags are for the floor and other designated area, seats are for people. This is my view, and I wasn’t being rude. Calm down.

It’s rude to sigh. It’s rude to have anything on any seat apart from your bottom. No one should have to ask. I could of course ask, but why should I have to? The sitter already has a seat - it’s entitled to expect someone to have to ask when it’s clear people are going to want seats (which they are fully aware of - they are relying on people not asking).

Also occupiers of outside seats. Absolutely fine to have this preference, but stand up when others want to get to the window seat. I’ve often accidentally stepped on toes trying to get in (now that does allow for a sigh!)

You think it's fine to sigh at people while moving your bag. Genuine question would you think it's fine to say "fuck you" while moving your bag?

If not why? It's the same thing. Expelling air from your mouth in a way that is widely accepted as rude.

Sighing is rude. Sighing at someone and rolling your eyes - they are nonverbal but they are still communication with a clear meaning. It's really no different in practice to saying "fuck you" at them.

I hate when people won’t move down the bus, even when the driver tells them too.
So there a seats at back of bus but they prefer to stand in the way!
Plus you should be aware of your surroundings and once bus/ train starts to get full move your belongings.
Mind on the buses around here, there is no room for any bags and no storage space anymore.

Of course it's not the same thing, could you BE any more dramatic?

British people need to stop obsessing over literally every thing being rude. You're so tiresome.

Someone sighed at me and reluctantly moved their bag on a train once, I very exaggeratedly said ‘Oh, thank you, you’re soooo kind’

They went a bit red - it was satisfying.

I had a driver in London shouting at me to move down the bus but there was a man stood by the luggage rack meaning I would have to squeeze past him and make contact. I ain't doing that for anyone so I stood quite frozen to the spot.

@FiveFoxes

I hope you don't mind me asking, but why can't you ask?

I don't mind you asking but at the same time it isn’t really relevant, if I can't ask I can't ask.

Most people will move their bag if you are hovering next to the seat and the train is busy.

That's isn't the usual experience at all, or we would have threads like this full of people saying the opposite.

YABU to care whether or not they sigh, so long as they do it.

I am an equal opportunity bag requester but I ask the person I think I’d prefer to have to sit next to whoever that happens to be, more often that happens to be a woman but not always.

as for the manspreading, I have started spreading too (if I need to) but I lineup exactly my allotted space so when a man is sitting next to me they either have to shift over or have me pushing against them with side of my knee (almost always they move and if they say something i politely say you are in my seat space and I’m not moving) and if I am there first they automatically only spread to the millimetre they can without actually touching me.
Men spreading does my nut in!

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I'm not saying they're the same levels of rude. I agree "fuck off" is MORE rude. I'm saying it's the same thing in the sense that you're being rude to someone (in your case, sighing) and your defence is that it is fine to be rude, as long as you are doing the thing you have been asked (i.e. moving your bag).

You surely accept that there's a level of rudeness (i.e. saying fuck off) that would be unacceptable. We clearly disagree on where the line is.

If you're not British, perhaps it's a cultural difference? Like in the same way different hand gestures are seen as rude in different places and there's different expectations of volume, personal space etc.

I don't know anyone who would not think it rude to openly sigh at someone who has politely asked them something reasonable. You might think it 'tiresome' but what you're describing is going to be perceived as rude by most people.

You wouldn't need to ask me to move my bag, I'd move it first. But if a little sigh escapes because you've picked me when there's lots of seats ...I simply don't care if you find it rude. As I said, British people seem to spend their lives declaring everything to be rude. It's not my issue, it's yours.

Years of travelling in central London - you learn to be assertive and not care.

I have mobility issues and need to sit.

lots of our trains are 3 seats facing 3 seats configuration and so very often you get on and there are people in the end seats with their bags / coats on the middle seat with the inevitable man spread too and a clear message of ‘no room here .

I loudly and politely say ‘excuse me please’ with a massive smile -
they invariably tut / sigh etc and begrudgingly move there stuff and I sit down…

i don’t care what they think or how much they tut etc… my bum needs that seat more than their coat / bag!

don’t be intimidated by others - be polite but firm and clear - kill them with kindness as you thank them!

YANBU to be annoyed at people not moving bags when asked, but YABU to let a sigh have such a big effect on you.

Saying that, I have a friend who asked someone to move their bag, and when they refused, she sat on it 😂

There's ways some fucker who sits next to me rather than two free seats elsewhere. Same people who can see an unoccupied row of 15 cross trainers in the gym but use the one right next to me.

Equal opportunities here. If a bag - any bag - is on a free seat that hasn't been paid for then I am having that seat!

And how do you know the much younger woman doesn’t have a disability that’s hidden and you’re not aware of ?

The younger women may have had a hidden disability and needed a priority seat. Her coat certainly did not though.

They are behaving as though they are being inconvenienced. If you don't like your bag on your knee don't use PT.

That sounds like you don’t actually move your bag unless asked. Is that right?

If a bus/train etc is clearly busy and lots of people are getting on, no one should have to “ask” you to move your bag. You should realise it for yourself and just do it! Else you actually come across as selfish whether you realise it or not.

Trains used to have a guard's van, where you could do exactly that.

When my brother (now 59) was a baby, he had a massive Silver Cross pram and that used to go in the guard's van while we sat in the nearest carriage with my mum holding the baby. And there were station staff that helped get the pram on to the train.

I had to ask politely 3 times for someone to move so I could put my pram in the only space they go. Then she glared it me - so I told her off - saying that I’d asked politely three times, I was blocking the aisle and the bus wasn’t going because we were all waiting for her to move while she was acting like a sulky teenager. She did move, acting like a spoilt baby the whole while but it didn’t need to come to that when there were other seats. I just say it like it is now - I’m done pandering to the feelings of inconsiderate people on public transport. It’s bad enough being forced onto it through no choice due to epilepsy as it is without dealing with total melts.

I feel cross when all the isle seats are taken and noone moves to let me sit near a window. So I say quite loudly "would someone move please so I can sit down. Then they all start fidgeting. I am old but probably fitter than most.

No. Who’s gives a fuck if they don’t like moving their bags.