Reform and abortion

[Craftymam]

Just a public service announcement as I missed this last week and find it quite shocking that coverage was so low.

Nigel Farage has said he wants to ‘open a new discussion’ on abortion rights.

Considering everything that’s gone on in America, the rise in popularity of reform and this alleged 100 Million donation from Elon musk; I felt I had to bring this to everyone’s attention.

But choice isn’t being eroded is it? We are not America, we are not religious nut jobs.

Elon Musk believes that access to contraception and abortion will bring the fall of Western civilisation - which is why he is intent on impregnating every woman he meets with his magic jizz.

Nigel Farage has been spending far too much time in America absorbing all the madness that people are into over there - he should be back here, running surgeries with his constituents and dealing with potholes and school funding and the like, like every other backbench MP.

Of course choice would be eroded if people like Nige keep pushing for our rights to be "discussed". You think they just want to chat about it? Of course they don't.

"Abortion should be available up to birth". That is quite a disgusting proposition quite frankly.

@TinklySnail

Stop being ridiculous. Your making a lot of assumptions about me.

I live in a small town with a high immigration population, numerous asylum hotels. I literally have hundreds of idle potentially traumatised and desperate young men sat hundreds of metres from my sons nursery. The nhs is gone to shit. There's no services here everything is overrun with wait lists. God help you if you need an ambulance or emergency care. Two tier policing here is insane. Half the towns living in a different black market world. I get it. Trust me I get the appeal of reform and why many think there needs to be serious change. And that's why I understand reform has a real chance of getting in. And why I'm posting this.

Because I don't believe they will fix half these problems. But I do believe now they are going to go after women's rights.

Over 90% of abortions happen in the UK before 10 weeks.

Less than 1% happen after 20 weeks, and these will be because of health issues, not just be cause the mother has changed her mind.

Personally I think that morally there should be a cut off period for abortion for purely "lifestyle" reasons (for want to a better term) but I am perfectly fine with abortion up to any term if the alternative is danger to the mother or the child, and that is my personal belief that I would not seek to impose on any other person.

Abortion should be a decision purely for the woman involved and the medical professionals aiding her. No-one else, not any man, not any government, not any judge.

We all know WHY Farage thinks abortion rights should be open for debate - he is under the mistaken belief that as a man he has any fucking right at all to dictate the essential rights that women have to safe abortion.

There are too many places in this world where those rights don't exist or are being eroded. Fuck that. Thousands of women die each year because of brain-dead pro-lifers, we need to take a stand in the UK and not let it happen here.

That 1% should be all the evidence you need that a "lifestyle" cut off is so far from necessary.

So what if some women feel that there should be a discussion?
What if some women feel that 24 weeks for a normal unwanted pregnancy is now too late?

One thing we can agree on for sure.

Unfortunately our "culture" is often described as "Christian" and so begins the muddying of the waters.

I have a funny feeling that new brands if "groovy Christianity" might start trending soon, as some of the more fundamental branches start to whinge about persecution. It plays into the other divisive issues surrounding immigration and integration too.

This isn't just about abortion, it's about power struggles and disenfranchisement across the board.

I'm probably not articulating things very well, but before politics, there was religion. Some people would like the balance tipped back I that direction very much.

I don't support a cut off for any reason, that's just my personal opinion as to whether I would abort. Have edited my post to make that clear.

For any other woman I would support abortion for any reason if that is the decision she makes.

... and the women who enable them, and the women who benefit from them ...

I think women should be able to abort at any point. We already have a robust mental capacity act and mental health act to identify women who are not in a position to make these decisions. For all other women I trust them to be the ones to make the right decision for their own body and life.

What I'd love to see is for all women accessing abortion to have access to a multi disciplinary team including consultant midwives, OBS/gynae Dr, mental health professionals, social workers, geneticist etcs. In order for the women to be fully aware of any support that could influence her decisions and in order to ensure fully informed consent.

But ultimately I trust women.

I think shifting a question about the assisted dying bill and the conversations being had around that to the idea that 'the people at home' are discussing abortion is more than a bit more nefarious than the typical politician dodging a question to say what he really wants to be asked, and it is likely to be trying to appease potential US funders.

It's the whole the US sneezes/sends money around, the rest of the world gets a a head full of cold and nonsense. I think the UK at least has the advantage that many are still very aware from Northern Ireland and also Ireland's campaigns and referendums around this issue, and many still raw from the unneeded losses and harm done by badly done medical legislation, that it'll be harder for them to get as much of a foothold here. Or at least I hope so.

I would say the same to them. Do you what you want for yourself, but don't come after my rights. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I feel this way because he is a man. You are wrong.
Taking choices away from a tiny fraction of women isn't helping women or babies. So why discuss it?

What about conctraceptions I hear from doctor many had hight 95-99% effect to protect against unwanted pregnancy together with condoms they even more effective.

What about contraception? All the contraception in the world doesn't make women unpregnant.
Though I would like to see a huge push to encourage vasectomies. I'm sure that would put a dent in abortion figures.

Actually I am really concerned about the rise of the far right in this country and throughout Europe and the US and what it means for women. Nigel Farage proposing a discussion on abortion is concerning. Much of his rhetoric apes that of Trump and the right in the US. It's Kinder Kuche Kirche. Rolling back women's rights to control their fertility and access to abortion because of hatred of immigration. Their concern about falling birth rates and espousal of the great replacement theory necessitates more control over women.

Then there is his support for low taxation low regulation (apart from women) halving of the public sector. Who will pick up the pieces? Women. Either by doing all the caring for older family members , sick and children or paying poorer women to do it. In his world the rich would get richer and poor get poorer and we are governed by unelected men like Elon Musk by virtue of the huge donations and influence on social media. If we are not careful we can sleepwalk into this scenario . Look how many young men are influenced by the likes of Andrew Tate, blaming their woes on women's rights. This rhetoric has enormous currency.

Any man who opposes his partners abortion could have a compulsory vasectomy. That should sort things out a bit.

I'm obviously joking... His body his choice!

The contraceptions are high effective aganist pregnancy all pregnancies results after taking contraceptions is very little percent maybe just 1% or even less.

Which is all irrelevant once the woman is already pregnant. Unless you've invented a time machine and you're offering the patent to the NHS?
Abstinence is even more effective? Do you think men let that choice en masse?

Arguably yes the world is overpopulated. We also have a separate but related problem in that women are having fewer and fewer babies with each generation.
So yes we are overpopulated but we are also facing population collapse.

Well if the women is in unwanted pregnancy I sure she will either want to keep this baby or she will abort it as fast as possible to minimise suffering for the baby without waiting until she is in later stages of pregnancy

Absolutely terrifying, America has taken a huge step back and is a dangerous place for women of a childbearing age. It would be devastating if UK follow suit.

I think parties should collectively come together and say NO laws based on a religious belief.

Well, yes. Like the vast majority already are. This would just make things even harder for women and babies in already very hard situations.