Reform and abortion

[Craftymam]

Just a public service announcement as I missed this last week and find it quite shocking that coverage was so low.

Nigel Farage has said he wants to ‘open a new discussion’ on abortion rights.

Considering everything that’s gone on in America, the rise in popularity of reform and this alleged 100 Million donation from Elon musk; I felt I had to bring this to everyone’s attention.

Your imagination must be quite limited then.

They kill it then.

Again, you are being naive. Of course it would be a crime - but abuse happens. If you teach children where babies come from, if you teach them to speak out in an abuse situation, if you teach them that it is not appropriate for them to be put in a situation like that, you are helping them help themselves. 12 year olds do get pregnant. It is often due to abuse. If you want to prevent that, you have to teach them from a young age what is and what is not appropriate and that they are allowed to talk about it and say no. The whole point of sex education at this age is not to teach them to have sex early. It is to teach them that they have the power to not let these things be done to them. Women are abused the world over because they don't have the power to speak out. Sex education gives them that power. Do you get it now?

I'm going to bed now, but I'll bet this poster is all about 'preserving their innocence' or some such bullshit.

Well I rather have limited imagination that think getting pregnant and have sex for underage young girl is normal (unless is rape God forbid ) it will never be normal for a teenager child wilfully do sex with men and sadly I know they are families who don't care what their daughters are doing

I don’t know if you’ve been keeping up to date with the recent For Women Scotland case against the Scottish government Ministers in the Supreme Court?

I believe that one of the arguments against the Scottish government’s side is that If the Court finds for the Scottish Ministers in according priority to the statement in the Gender Recognition Act that a GRC makes the holder the opposite sex for all purposes, then it’s generally accepted that the restrictions in the Abortion Act won’t apply to any female who holds a GRC. As I understand it, the Scottish ministers are arguing that a natal female holding a GRC is a man for all purposes. But the Abortion Act I believe refers only to women.

It’s obviously not normal but it’s possible. Which is why anyone who menstruates needs to understand how pregnancy occurs.

It is only possible if parents let's their underage daughters roam outside after school or on holiday and be ok that their daughters got boyfriend

Regardless what Farage says or his motives - and I do not like the guy - I think the cut off limit for abortions should be at 12 weeks unless the baby has severe fetal abnormalities or the mothers life is at risk.

I’m an obstetrics scanner and spend all day scanning these babies. When you see a baby in the womb moving to the sound of music , opening its eyes, yawning, sucking the umbilical cord - you’d feel the same too. A needle to heart would certainly cause pain and suffering to a nearly 24 week old fetus

Yes there are rare cases of children being raped and being impregnated but this isn’t the norm and shouldn’t allow adults to be able to do this to a baby that would most likely survive out of the womb because have changed their minds - or use it as birth control

Here are some stats they might surprise you.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2021/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2021#:~:text=Gestation%20period&text=The%20proportion%20of%20abortions%20that,(Table%205)

But teaching primary school kids basic information about sex is not going to make them run out and attempt it! There are several reasons why it;s a good idea to inform them early: (1) an unlucky child could be groomed or assaulted and they have a greater chance of resisting or at least reporting if they're armed with the facts; (2) it is basic information about the world; (3) they may get misinformation from other children or online; much better to be taught the facts before that happens; (4) it's not ideal for them to learn the facts only when they're already hormonal teenagers.

I'd draw some parallels with early learning of road safety. Only a criminally irresponsible parent would allow a 5-year-old to run around town unsupervised, making their own way across busy roads. Nevertheless, it's desirable for children to be taught early how to cross a road safely and why it's important, rather than waiting until they're already at an age when they're likely to be making journeys on their own.

Honestly, I find Twitter terrifying at the moment. It's full of evangelicals, men whinging about the declining (white) birth rate, blatant misogyny ('your body, my choice'), constant anti-abortion posts....the (many) people defending Connor McGregor last week was particularly depressing. I've never felt as threatened being female as I do right now.

I remember when I first read the Handmaids Tale, I couldn't imagine that ever happening in this country....I could now. 10 years ago it would unfathomable to think the phrase 'women:adult human female' would be a controversial statement, yet you have people arguing with their full chests that men are women and should have full access to safe spaces.

The hero-worshipping of Trump/Musk is unnerving - especially now Musk is said to be financing Farage. The sooner they all fall out the better!

The world seems really angry at the moment. It's scary....really scary.

This is so incredibly naive I don’t know where to start.

Nobody is going down the forced birthing route. Even in states likeTexas, there is no restriction on birth control so hard to see how it will ‘plug the gap’ wrt immigration.

It really is stupidly naive Christians who want to save the babies, there is not much more to it than that.

And not because radical Islam has been responsible for 3000+ American deaths seen live on television?

Honestly after that we’d be justified not letting any Muslim migrants inside our borders at all.

Don't forget how many Muslims the US has killed, it runs into the millions.

Who? Average American workers just going about their day? Are you saying they deserved to die? Are you really doing this?

What I'm doing is pointing out that the US has killed millions of Muslims. That's in response to you pointing out that some Muslims killed Americans.

The US is currently the major contributor to a genocide in Palestine. Are you saying they deserve to die?

The obvious answer for me is to make childcare more accessible and affordable and support women getting back to work work.

It’s a false equivalence. You are providing a justification for flying plane-loads of people into two skyscrapers fulls of thousands of innocents.

All you see are oppressors in those plane seats and towers, I suppose. Viewpoints like yours should be roundly mocked and dismissed.

I reiterate. Fear of Islam is justifiable when you see thousands of innocents killed on live TV in a matter of hours for nothing more than their nationality.

Primary school children are not getting pregnant en mass. If a primary school child is pregnant it’s because they have been raped. No amount of learning will prevent that. Even under 18 years old is very low

The largest age group of women having abortions is 21 year olds, closely followed by women in their mid 30s - which is climbing rapidly.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm pointing out that the US also has blood on its hands.

However it's unsurprising that you haven't got a clue about American foreign policy.

Us goodies, them baddies isn't an intelligent analysis.

That’s the way to defeat this nonsense. Shift the Overton window, so that small improvements to abortion access or keeping the existing arrangements unchanged seem like the compromise position.

When you kill thousands of innocent people in such a horrific way?

Yeah, you’re the baddie.

If your ‘nuanced views’ lead you to this conclusion, I suggest revisiting your priors tbh

You seem to think that killing millions of innocent people is somehow ok, it's not. Neither is funding ethnic cleansing and genocide. Neither is torturing detainees.

The US is the most aggressive country in the world and you're their cheerleader.

I can’t see how any of this is relatable to the topic of this discussion tbh