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Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Toodaloo1567 · 03/12/2024 18:00

Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

  1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
  2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
  3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

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khaitai · 03/12/2024 18:39

The "working class" excuse is BS. If he'd just been plucked from a building site and shoved behind a camera then maybe you could forgive it but he's been in the luvvie BBC world for years.

As much as I'd enjoy seeing the smug smile wiped from him face, I do agree that the cancelling stuff goes too far. He should be given the chance to apologise and sort himself out rather than be instantly banished from our screens.

cardibach · 03/12/2024 18:40

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/12/2024 18:30

Yes, alleged on tonight's BBC news that he groped one woman's bum, deliberately let his trousers drop to a point where part of his penis was visible and pointed out that he had no pants on, etc. All targeted at young freelancers who could say nothing for fear of losing their jobs and finding themselves blacklisted. Utterly despicable behaviour, if true.

GW yes. That’s my point. GR hasn’t done that. Read more carefully.

Orangecookies · 03/12/2024 18:40

I’ve actually met him multiple times . He was nothing but polite and kind to me, that doesn’t mean I don’t believe the allegations made by others. Sometimes men just dislike a certain type or group of women for reasons only they know , other times they are calculating and will be abusive to some and charming to others for the public image.

YourRubyBeaker · 03/12/2024 18:40

cardibach · 03/12/2024 18:25

How do you feel about him wandering about naked with his dick in a sock?
Or saying the difference between jam and jelly is that you can’t jelly you dick into your girlfriend’s arse?

Pretty sure I stated where he crossed the line.
Clearly anything beyond that is class as my aforementioned foul.
You’re going after the wrong person here.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/12/2024 18:40

It's worrying that anybody is publicly supporting GW and minimising this kind of behaviour. It must be a nightmare working as part of his legal or PR teams. I think I'd have to claim an ethical exemption from working on that client.

ThisTimeNextWeekDavid · 03/12/2024 18:40

AlexP24 · 03/12/2024 18:29

I absolutely agree with you OP. The way people are so quick to pour hate on someone and ruin their lives is very upsetting to me. There is no forgiveness and no understanding of where he is coming from. His statement was ill advised (or rather, not advised) but clearly came from a place of anger and upset. I feel very sorry for him, and his family/children. I hope they are ok, knowing what we know about how suicide is a very real threat when people are hounded by the media.

His statement was twattish.

His sexual harassment was illegal and deserves no understanding or forgiveness.

AlexP24 · 03/12/2024 18:41

cardibach · 03/12/2024 18:36

I hope they are ok living with a sexually aggressive misogynist, but we’re all different.

I think you need to read up on the term sexual aggressiveness. It was something he himself suffered when he was sexually abused as an 8 year old. Don't start defining it as telling lewd jokes.

IfYouLook · 03/12/2024 18:41

FuckItItsFine · 03/12/2024 18:06

Are you saying WC men can’t help but harass women. It’s how they were brought up? You’re not doing WC men any favours.

This.

How reductionist. Gregggggg doesn’t know how to behave because he’s from Peckham or wherever. Bollocks.

Gregg knew as many men do from whatever background how to make women deeply uncomfortable which he did on purpose.

However he did not as far as we know physically assault anyone. The wholesale cancelling and overreaction seems a bit much. IMO

Octavia64 · 03/12/2024 18:41

Where the hell did you grow up that don't walk around naked with a sock on your cock is an unwritten middle class rule?

Did any of your teachers, parents or other men in your life do this routinely?

How did you work out it wasn't allowed at work? Did someone have to have a quiet word?

Jesus I've heard it all now.

OneWittyLemonCat · 03/12/2024 18:41

The cancellation is justified.

The Sun running 10 articles a day on this all week is completely disproportionate and I suspect all about Murdoch’s war against the BBC…

Mrsgreen100 · 03/12/2024 18:41

wtf
he’s a disgrace, as mothers of sons we need to squash this shitty but male behaviour and teach boys how to behave like gentlemen and decent humans
having worked with guys like him and put up with that kind of shit for years it’s just gotta stop, forgiveness is a whole Nother thing but in order to forgive somebody they need to realise the effect their behaviour has other people and be remorseful. He’s not remorseful as an arsehole.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/12/2024 18:42

AlexP24 · 03/12/2024 18:41

I think you need to read up on the term sexual aggressiveness. It was something he himself suffered when he was sexually abused as an 8 year old. Don't start defining it as telling lewd jokes.

Read the thread. You're behind the times. The allegations are far more than making a few dubious jokes.

PortiasBiscuit · 03/12/2024 18:43

He’s a certain type of cheeky chappy, it’s presumably what they wanted. I feel a bit sorry for him.

WalterdelaMare · 03/12/2024 18:43

He is finished. There’s no chance of redemption for him. He’s a bit of a tit and a caveman but I think the braying mob and number of gutter press articles is completely disproportionate.

I work in a male dominated industry, so I’m slightly desensitised. But I can also hold my own and always have been able to. I’d not be someone who complained over a bawdy comment and if it was inappropriate touching, I’d deal with it immediately. Why are women only coming forward now?

NetZeroZealot · 03/12/2024 18:43

He only apologised for his comments about middle class middle aged women.
He has not even admitted to all the other appalling sexist, sexual and misogynistic comments that many, many others have witnessed or been subjected to. He is still denying them through his lawyers.

Notaflippinclue · 03/12/2024 18:43

Why do groomers paedos and rapists walk the streets and this guy is hung drawn and quartered for being a toss pot

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/12/2024 18:43

Strange how just as new allegations are revealed up pop the apologist payroll threads 🤔

Ottersmith · 03/12/2024 18:43

😂😂😂

StrongandNorthern · 03/12/2024 18:44

Feck's sake OP.
Whaaaaat?

Eetzup · 03/12/2024 18:44

He should be given the chance to apologise and sort himself out rather than be instantly banished from our screens.

He had plenty of opportunity to apologise. Instead he went straight to social media to whine about the nasty wimmin. Plus, how about all the times we now know he was 'spoken to' previously and he clearly did sweet FA to change his behaviour?

And is anyone honestly going to miss him on our screens anyway? Really? He's always come across as a talentless gurning twonk to me, long before I was forced to consider his winkie.

NetZeroZealot · 03/12/2024 18:44

WalterdelaMare · 03/12/2024 18:43

He is finished. There’s no chance of redemption for him. He’s a bit of a tit and a caveman but I think the braying mob and number of gutter press articles is completely disproportionate.

I work in a male dominated industry, so I’m slightly desensitised. But I can also hold my own and always have been able to. I’d not be someone who complained over a bawdy comment and if it was inappropriate touching, I’d deal with it immediately. Why are women only coming forward now?

Because fir many of them there was a big power imbalance.
many others complained at the time and nothing was done

Redglitter · 03/12/2024 18:44

We’re all mums here

You really don't have a clue. No were not all Mums here.

Bluevelvetsofa · 03/12/2024 18:45

The only person ruining Wallace’s life is him.

He’s always been an arrogant shouty persona on TV, but this is a whole other level.

DogInATent · 03/12/2024 18:45

Nothing to suggest there's anything weird about Gregg.. nothing at all..

Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled
cardibach · 03/12/2024 18:45

AlexP24 · 03/12/2024 18:41

I think you need to read up on the term sexual aggressiveness. It was something he himself suffered when he was sexually abused as an 8 year old. Don't start defining it as telling lewd jokes.

What about wandering about naked with his dick in a sock? Showing his penis to women he’d asked to tie his tie? Groping women in a lift?
If he was abused as a child that’s terrible. He’s still a sexually aggressive misogynist.

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