Page 12 | Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

Cantalever · 2024-12-02T03:14:27+00:00

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

Cgar2018 · 02/12/2024 15:18

hellohellooo · 02/12/2024 14:16

Biden is a
Equal to trump

I have said it time and time again

Both awful awful humans

Seriously? I suggest you have a read through what he achieved throughout his political career. There is absolutely no way you can equate the two.

hellohellooo · 02/12/2024 15:19

Look at what he did to Afghanistan

Look at what he has done to Gaza

He is trumps equal

No doubt about

Silly foolish man and have you read up on his son and what he did?

Disgraceful

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2024 15:26

Interesting piece here for those wondering if a Presidential Pardon can be revoked: https://www.google.com/search?q=can+presidential+pardon+be+reversed&oq=can+presidential+pardon+be+reversed&gslcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCggAEEUYFhgeGDnSAQkxMDUxOGowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The short answer is that they don't know, because it's never been tried after the pardon was served/"complete", but I wouldn't put it past someone like Trump to try it

I’m not a fan of Biden but come on, it’s what any sane person would do to help their family

Edited to add I'm not a fan of either of them, @MaggieBsBoat, but if it's such a "sane" thing to do then why not have said so, instead of repeatedly denying he intended to do it?
After all he's said to "value integrity" isn't he?

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 15:40

wholettheturnipsburn · 02/12/2024 11:58

Is he allowed to pardon someone?

If so, then no issues

And far rather that than have a convicted, overgrown toddler rewarding all his family with jobs

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Is he allowed to reward all his family with jobs?

If so, no issues

Well not with me, I have an issue with this kind of thing whether people are 'allowed to' or not.

user44221 · 02/12/2024 15:40

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2024 15:26

Interesting piece here for those wondering if a Presidential Pardon can be revoked: https://www.google.com/search?q=can+presidential+pardon+be+reversed&oq=can+presidential+pardon+be+reversed&gslcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCggAEEUYFhgeGDnSAQkxMDUxOGowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The short answer is that they don't know, because it's never been tried after the pardon was served/"complete", but I wouldn't put it past someone like Trump to try it

I’m not a fan of Biden but come on, it’s what any sane person would do to help their family

Edited to add I'm not a fan of either of them, @MaggieBsBoat, but if it's such a "sane" thing to do then why not have said so, instead of repeatedly denying he intended to do it?
After all he's said to "value integrity" isn't he?

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I suspect even he never could have imagined in his wildest dreams, at the point he said it, that Trump would put someone like Kash Patel in charge of the FBI. That would be a game changer for almost anyone in his position.

hellohellooo · 02/12/2024 15:41

Biden sympathisers go to hell

Look at the legacy of his administration

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 15:41

Cgar2018 · 02/12/2024 15:18

Seriously? I suggest you have a read through what he achieved throughout his political career. There is absolutely no way you can equate the two.

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His crowning achievement was to be so awful that Trump got back in, then pardon his criminal son.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 15:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2024 15:26

Interesting piece here for those wondering if a Presidential Pardon can be revoked: https://www.google.com/search?q=can+presidential+pardon+be+reversed&oq=can+presidential+pardon+be+reversed&gslcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCggAEEUYFhgeGDnSAQkxMDUxOGowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The short answer is that they don't know, because it's never been tried after the pardon was served/"complete", but I wouldn't put it past someone like Trump to try it

I’m not a fan of Biden but come on, it’s what any sane person would do to help their family

Edited to add I'm not a fan of either of them, @MaggieBsBoat, but if it's such a "sane" thing to do then why not have said so, instead of repeatedly denying he intended to do it?
After all he's said to "value integrity" isn't he?

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There is no way Trump would want to set a precedent of revoking pardons.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 15:45

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2024 15:14

Yes he did and yes he has, but did anyone honestly expect any different from this utter fool?

We can all point out what other Presidents have done - Trump included - and we'd be right, but it's possible to focus on one issue at a time without the "but ... but ...", except that some simply can't bear criticism of anyone but Trump

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but but but but but Trump!

Cgar2018 · 02/12/2024 16:13

hellohellooo · 02/12/2024 15:19

Look at what he did to Afghanistan

Look at what he has done to Gaza

He is trumps equal

No doubt about

Silly foolish man and have you read up on his son and what he did?

Disgraceful

Fancy having a read of the National Security Council’s review on the Afghan withdrawal and tell me who it largely blamed…..? And good luck with any hopes of a ceasefire in Gaza once Orange baffoon takes reign.

Fabuloosaloo · 02/12/2024 16:16

Hand on heart . I would have done it too . It's his son .

timenowplease · 02/12/2024 16:47

The president’s sweeping pardon covers not just the gun and tax offences against the younger Biden, but also any other “offences against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024”.

So not only is he getting pardoned for crimes he has been charged with, he has also been pardoned for any other crimes that he may have committed from 2014 to present day. The phrasing 'offences against the United States' is very interesting here too. How is that legal? What else is going to come out?

Absolutely despicable behaviour. As sick and corrupt as you can get.

Anyone defending or condoning this is morally bankrupt.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2024 17:06

@timenowplease it seems that the siginificance of 2014 is that this is when Hunter started at Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company, and it's alleged but not proved that the family were also involved

Either way Biden's pardon is likely to increase the digging, and what else comes out remains to be seen

OonaStubbs · 02/12/2024 17:09

There's really no defending this. And it is something that will hang heavy over the Democratic party for a long long time.

user44221 · 02/12/2024 17:12

Menopausalsourpuss · 02/12/2024 15:01

Yes so true, both sides have become like that but I think the lefties/progressives (whatever you call them) are worse. I can remember them calling Bush a fascist before he got in (and I know he was a disaster but no worse than Clinton imo). Now they have lost their minds over Trump and somehow think Biden is a moral person.

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I really think that the fact that one side organised an armed insurrection at which they wanted to lynch the vice president for not subverting the constitution and the other side, when on the losing end, accepted the result, slightly refutes your belief about which is 'worse'.

And by the way, I call them Democrats or swing or independent voters who did not vote for Trump. Just as I call people who might have voted for Trump but don't fall into the MAGA cult (i.e. those who accepted the results of an election without feeling the need to storm the Capitol) Republicans or swing or independent voters who voted for Trump.

Do you consider 'lefties/progressives' some kind of triumphant insult?

user44221 · 02/12/2024 17:13

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 15:41

His crowning achievement was to be so awful that Trump got back in, then pardon his criminal son.

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Why not just stop being disingenuous and admit your arguments have nothing to do with morality and everything to do with just... hating Biden?

timenowplease · 02/12/2024 17:14

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2024 17:06

@timenowplease it seems that the siginificance of 2014 is that this is when Hunter started at Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company, and it's alleged but not proved that the family were also involved

Either way Biden's pardon is likely to increase the digging, and what else comes out remains to be seen

Yes, agreed. This will shine a spotlight for sure. It won't all be managed away and swept under the carpet like the laptop story either.

Clavinova · 02/12/2024 17:48

GnusSitOnCanoes · 02/12/2024 04:17

Trump pardoned his daughter’s FIL and has now appointed him an ambassador. It’s no different. Both are a misuse of power to serve their aims. Both would say they believe in the justice system when it punishes their opponent, but not when it affects them.

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I think it is different - the unpleasant Mr Kushner served his prison sentence, as did Bill Clinton's half-brother. They were both pardoned years later - they can't get back the time they spent in jail.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 17:56

I really think that the fact that one side organised an armed insurrection at which they wanted to lynch the vice president for not subverting the constitution and the other side, when on the losing end, accepted the result, slightly refutes your belief about which is 'worse'.

The other side attempted to assassinate their opposing presidential candidate.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 17:57

timenowplease · 02/12/2024 16:47

The president’s sweeping pardon covers not just the gun and tax offences against the younger Biden, but also any other “offences against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024”.

So not only is he getting pardoned for crimes he has been charged with, he has also been pardoned for any other crimes that he may have committed from 2014 to present day. The phrasing 'offences against the United States' is very interesting here too. How is that legal? What else is going to come out?

Absolutely despicable behaviour. As sick and corrupt as you can get.

Anyone defending or condoning this is morally bankrupt.

That is shocking. So not just what he has been convicted of - they know there are other crimes too.

timenowplease · 02/12/2024 18:07

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 17:57

That is shocking. So not just what he has been convicted of - they know there are other crimes too.

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Exactly. Obviously treasonous ones at that.

hellohellooo · 02/12/2024 18:10

@Cgar2018 are you for real?

Like seriously !!!!

He is an utter disgrace and as bad as Trump

Trump is no better

Iloveautumnwinterchristmas · 02/12/2024 18:33

AncientAndModern1 · 02/12/2024 05:27

I’m more concerned about the convicted felon, liar, serial fraudster and rapist about to take over in the White House. The revenge-obsessed monster spewing non-stop threats about putting his ‘enemies’ in prison and even executing them.

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving! Hilarious!

Ytcsghisn · 02/12/2024 18:40

Menopausalsourpuss · 02/12/2024 09:07

This annoys me every time someone misuses the context of this quotation to villify Thatcher. She said later:

they never quoted the rest. I went on to say: There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then to look after our neighbour. My meaning, clear at the time but subsequently distorted beyond recognition, was that society was not an abstraction, separate from the men and women who composed it, but a living structure of individuals, families, neighbours and voluntary associations.“

I agree with every word.

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You’re trying educate people who regurgitate the last soundbite they heard on the last bulletin or the latest guardian headline. Literally word for word. Expecting them to have an understanding of context and history is a stretch too far.

Iloveautumnwinterchristmas · 02/12/2024 18:58

Annabella92 · 02/12/2024 07:23

It didn't fly under the radar, it was actively censored and suppressed by social and legacy media

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Indeed but you're wasting your time on here. If you don't get all your news from The Grauniad,Sky News,BBC,CNN or MSNBC you're a tin foil hat wearing cult following numpty. They'll be someone along soon to yell that you're a conspiracy theorist. Mumsnet should be renamed Echo Chambers Are Us.