Assisted Dying

[Nordione1]

I dont know what section to put this in. Im more upset about the vote for it than I thought I'd be. I feel like we have crossed a rubicon somehow.

I’m confused, what misinformation? Please quote?

I’m completely confused about what Dr Who has to do with any of this

You’re not a fan?

But it most likely will be at the expense of good palliative care.

Excellent palliative care for all (not just the lucky postcodes) should be in place well before this bill is discussed or passed.

If it can't be put in place before, then I think we know damn well it won't be after either.

Yes, but I’m not making the connection with regeneration or Daleks

There’s more than Daleks to Dr WHO, as is life.

From a professional level as a nurse for 38 years I totally agree with this!👏

Care to elaborate on the connection you’re trying to make then?

I’m sorry I'm just really bored now.
My opinion is different to yours.

This is of course a concern

@Nordione1

absolutely not too quick. If anything not quick enough. Just how much time (and suffering) should pass before you deign it acceptable for people to exercise autonomy OVER THEIR OWN BODIES?!

I'm in favour of assisted dying but not this bill'

''10/ 12 Very recently, in the sad case of Jill Parton, the Coroner’s conclusion was recorded as suicide 'in the context of coercive and controlling behaviour'.
11/ 12 The opportunity to record, or indeed uncover, such coercive and controlling behaviour, and to make a PFD report, would be lost if the suicide were said to fall within the scope of the Bill if passed.
12/ 12 That is inexplicable and almost certainly a breach of the state’s duty under Art 2. It is also a cause of real concern for those campaigning against VAWG and should be a worry to us all. ''

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You were the one who brought up Dr Who - I am genuinely curious about the connection you’re making as I just can’t think of anything relevant.

Dear Mice on the Organ, You don't make a lot of sense. You have no idea who I am. If you are interested, but I suspect you won't be and will just post another nonsensical comment, I am a person who worked in a responsible job for 40 years, brought up two children, both in responsible jobs (one a special educational needs teacher), both have spouses in responsible jobs (one is a Police officer). You think you "understand who I am". You really don't. Just because someone says something you don't agree with doesn't mean they are wrong. I urge you to show respect to other people's views and stop being horrible to people you don't agree with

Don’t worry about it, nothing to concern yourself about,

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3774

It never ceases to amaze me how few people have actually read this bill. Or who have spent any time researching how MAID in Canada evolved into what it is today.

Particularly frightening for those concerned about disabled and vulnerable citizens at risk of coercion is the definition of ‘proxy’. For the person who asked if their child could legally end their life, make sure you NEVER nominate a ‘proxy’ who will sign on your behalf. Even if you’ve changed your mind but lose the ability to communicate that.

In a society where hundreds of elderly people are left stranded in acute hospital beds because they have no support to remain at home, not to mention those who remain vulnerable and unsafe in their own homes because greedy offspring refuse to give up their inheritance to fund adequate nursing care, what hope do we have to protect them now?

I think you will find that I have said that we all have differening opinions and lives.
Just because you have taught special needs doesn’t mean you have lived it, it’s really not the same.

Excuse me, but this bill has the potential to affect many people’s lives, both directly and indirectly. It’s not just the terminally ill who will be affected by this. I would bet my house on it that this will pave the way for AD to be available to a much wider cohort in the longer term. And anyone could become terminally ill when they least expect it so for that reason alone it affects us all. Not all terminally ill people want AD.

So you can butt out with your rude comment.

but for the suicide to fall within the scope of the bill, the activity would have had to comply with the requirements of the bill.

I’m really sorry but I need this is plain speak?

I'm not happy with the Bill being passed today, no. Although I don't think anyone wants others to suffer horrible deaths, I do see this as the start of a 'slippery slope' towards other groups being offered or coerced/pressured into an early demise. Not next year, nor the next, but after a decade or so, won't we be seeing dementia patients, people with disabilities, being included? With more people becoming elderly as boomers reach old age, and chronic illnesses and dementia becoming ever more common, along with more shortages of care home and nursing staff, it is logical to think that something has to give, and surely assisted dying means more people will be persuaded/coerced into ending their lives earlier. Right now that might sound a bit far-fetched, but given what's happened in Canada, it's certainly possible. Who knows what sort of government we may have in the future?

Feels like a triumph for empathy, to me.

I do wonder how it will be effectively monitored, though.

The current proposed bill is for only terminally ill, capacious adults. We already have a robust legislative framework in place for those who lack the mental capacity to make decisions.

Not all terminally ill people want AD.

Then they don’t have to have it - it isn’t being made compulsory

I haven't taught special needs. Did you even read the post you responded to? I politely suggest you may benefit from medical help. I won't be replying to you again.