Assisted Dying

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I dont know what section to put this in. Im more upset about the vote for it than I thought I'd be. I feel like we have crossed a rubicon somehow.

Yes, it will be guaranteed in the law. Also isn't it a little selfish to deny countless numbers of people a peaceful death and instead condemn them to an agonising, drawn out death because of the tiny and extremely unlikely possibility that at some point in the distant future someone might pass a law that people with LD can choose to die?

This is true and I don’t know how you’d even begin to make an assessment on something like this if the person was asking. Very difficult and complex subject.

This is quite an extreme example but I read an article maybe last year about a young woman who was an athlete and became paralysed in an accident and she had taken the decision to end her life, possibly Dignitas or a similar set up and at first I was horrified but on reading a letter she published where she explained her reasoning about not being able to live the life she wanted to, I did understand more where she was coming from and it made me think quite differently on this subject.

Not me who’s naive!

yes

Like Labour guarantee everything else?
And isn’t it selfish that you are not considering the disabled people and how do you know how far the distant future is?
I’ve seen an agonising death but I think this is too rushed. More time and debate is needed.

Well then you know that there’s more options!

Yes. I can absolutely guarantee that this Bill doesn't allow it.

What a load of bollocks

Absolutely agree with this. Until you have had an injury that affects how your body works permanently, you don't really realise how much of an impact it will have on your life. It's not something you can say for certain wouldn't affect you in a negative way, or something you could totally accept.

You are not being clear in what you mean

More time and debate is exactly what the next stage of the parliamentary process is about

Are you some sore of AI?

Considering there is nothing in this bill that would affect your DS I don't know why you think it's too rushed

Some sore of AI? What do you mean? I confirm I am a person not a sore

hence the long assessment process and the requirement for capacity at the time of asking

There has been no consultation with constituents or the public but just a bill proposed and all of a sudden there’s an awful lot of support from nowhere.
It’s just odd.

@TheMiceOnTheMouseOrgan
Here's an example of how legislation goes completely bonkers- homosexuality was illegal under
Scottish law till 1990s. 20 years later Theresa May put pressure on the Scottish government to pass a GR bill to bring us into line with England.
Now it's been blocked by Westminster and currently all with the Supreme Court.
Rushed legislation like this just goes completely awry.

Unfortunately I’ve lived the life of a carer and this terrifies me.

I'm very upset about the vote.

Hypocritically I must add, as I would want it for myself.

BUT this conversation should not be being had now, not with the NHS in its current state.

People being left suicidal with chronic conditions going undiagnosed and untreated. A postcode lottery with palliative care. An economy spiralling down and the most vulnerable being left to rot.

Which doctors are going to be forced to break their oath and kill people?

When will the conversation around the death penalty reappear, as the state now sanctions the taking of a life?

Canada should have been a warning to us all.

Humans are too prone to corruption, I don't think e are evolved enough for this yet and more research and money should go into better palliative care.

Sore?

It's not from nowhere, it's well known that a majority of people are in favour of assisted dying. Plenty of people have watched loved ones die or seen people suffering through other means and would value the option of being able to choose if the time came where they were suffering themselves. I've been in favour of it since it was first brought to my attention at the age of about 14.

Pardon me?? This Bill is absolutely specific and absolutely requires consent from the party wanting to die. If you don't accept that, you have very badly misunderstood it.

How do you know the majority of people are in favour. Has there been a ballot I’ve missed?

I haven’t misunderstood it, it’s been rushed through.

This is just the beginning of the parliamentary process. Basically what has been agreed today is that a law covering the framework that was agreed to today will be enacted at some point. If you want to find out more then google how a law is passed in the UK. Its a long and detailed process involving both houses of Parliament. Todays vote, though momentous, was merely the agreement to the principle.