Marionette Lines Getting me down

[meelee20119]

Hi

I have good skin overall but have quite bad nasal/marionette lines, it’s really getting me down. My husband doesn’t understand and I know he still finds me attractive but all I can focus on is these lines, especially the marionette ones. I am 52 and can’t have injections because I have a really bad phobia of needles. I have read that face yoga can help?
I feel bad that I am allowing this to take over my life especially as I have a wonderful family and beautiful grandchildren and yet everyday I focus on these lines and as a result am miserable

Please give me some words or wisdom or advise.

I bet they're not as bad as you think they are. I doubt without fillers or surgery etc there is much you can do about them anyway. Would you be comfortable posting a pic of the side of your nose/mouth so we can offer reassurance? (Obviously don't if you're not comfortable)

I was praying face yoga/massage would help. There are many YouTube videos. I also looked at red light led masks. I have had a really good skincare routine for the past year. Looking at maybe using a better retinol.
Sad to hear that nothing other than injections will likely work.
I’m sorry but taking a pic would make me even more down

Try something like the Foreo Bear or NuFace. It’s not going to make them go away but might reverse them a bit. Also make sure skin is max plumped. Try a hydra facial, ceramide cream and drink lots of water.

It’s up to you if you want to go down the injectables route. My crows feet and forehead/between brow lines started to get my down 18 months ago, despite spending £100’s on facials/creams/serums- nothing worked, in fact they just got deeper! After lots of research and consultations I bit the bullet and had Botox. The needle is tiny, really really tiny, you barely feel it, if at all. It’s the best thing I’ve done for my skin and I have a new found confidence.

Totally up to you tho, appreciate it’s not everybody’s cup of tea.

Thank you, I will have a look at the those.
I was using the Roc Retinol capsules but when I ran out it was Black Friday on Amazon so seen an offer on the Elizabeth Arden Retinol + Ceramide capsules and decided to try them. I’ve been using them for 90 days but feel that that haven’t really done much.
I felt the Roc worked initially well my husband said it did I hate but then seemed to Plateau after only 6 months and supposedly Roc claim that the results will keep getting better and not plateau!

I wish I could stop making this the main focus, seriously it is making me depressed. My husband doesn’t understand he just says you look good and that I have so many other things in life to focus on and be grateful for and I know he’s right ( not about the looking good part) but I can’t help it.

You could try frownies, they do one specific for those lines. It's face taping that you sleep in and flattens the wrinkle so it's smoother during the day.

I'd also start using tretinoin. It's the prescription strength retinol. You can get a prescription at dermatica online.

Lastly, if it's getting you down so much have you thought about speaking to a professional? Ageing isn't fun but it shouldn't be so concerning to you if you have an otherwise happy life.

I’d join the Caroline Hirons Skincare Freaks Facebook page and search marionette lines, there are hundreds of posts on there about it with various recommendations.

Don’t waste your money on pills and creams, they won’t work. At best they’ll very slightly improve the texture of the skin, but nothing can replace the volume besides fillers, and fillers come with a whole host of issues.

This sounds like body dysmorphia. You’d be better off spending money on addressing why you’re fixating on this than lining the pockets of cosmetics companies who conduct zero clinical trials to back up their claims.

This sounds like body dysmorphia. You’d be better off spending money on addressing why you’re fixating on this than lining the pockets of cosmetics companies who conduct zero clinical trials to back up their claims.

This is not helpful.

But this sort of thing is a natural part of the ageing process and coming to terms with ageing is going to be better than throwing money away.

I agree.
Unfortunately this is down to genetics. Creams can’t restructure the full depth of the skin and the tissue underneath, they can only hydrate or exfoliate the top layer.
I have marionette lines too and don’t much like them, but it’s not something we can reverse.

but filler does a really good job and really only need a little once every two years or so if you get over your fear

Agree with this. Nuface is great, as are HydraFacials. Also, an LED mask will help.

I've heard Frownies are good and apparently they work.

And I'm so glad I clicked on this thread because you NEEED to try face yoga but specifically: 'Anastasia beauty fascia' (she's on Instagram). I've been doing her course since last month and it seriously works.

You do need to spend time doing it daily, but to me it's worth it as I want to avoid Botox and the like. I just can't find the time with two young kids but I'm persevering I've been feeling like rubbish since the start of my pregnancy so it's the only thing to make me feel pretty (especially since I cannot be bothered to wear makeup nowadays) that too naturally! My eyes have opened up and jawline more defined. To my understanding, it's only been a month so I need to do it longer to see further results.

Definitely let me know if you check her page out and what you think!!

If you are looking for a better retinol, I’d move to tretinoin. Prescription service like Dermatica or Skin&Me are great - it takes a good couple of months to kick in properly but is awesome and really makes a difference. (PM me if you’d like a Dermatica discount code).
Look at Caroline Hirons and Sali Hughes for routines - you don’t need complex routines but need the right ingredients / actives.

This is not helpful.

I think it is, it's another point of view.

I would also say, gently, that you no-one can hold back the ageing process sadly but cosmetic surgery can keep it at bay for longer. At some point we all need to make peace with it. I wonder if your mood change is menopausal also. A lot of women feel better on HRT.

I love Botox and agree with your post, but you cannot claim that you barely feel the needle. You do!

I wish I could stop making this the main focus, seriously it is making me depressed. My husband doesn’t understand he just says you look good and that I have so many other things in life to focus on and be grateful for and I know he’s right ( not about the looking good part) but I can’t help it. OP have you considered seeking support with the issue of being unable to stop thinking about it? CBT to interrupt the thought process or other therapy to find out why this bothers you so much, there are ways to tackle the impact this is having on your life.

@JMSA I really don’t-literally hardly feel a thing! Maybe they’ve been heavy handed whilst administering it for you or perhaps my lady is really good.

Nothing will work apart from filler or a face lift. I've been doing face yoga for years, and my nasolabial folds haven't improved.

I wouldn't do fillers, especially now they stay far longer than predicted and migrate.

I've learned to live with them.

I do t generally care about lines etc but my marionette lines have really bothered me. I have introduced a nightly hyalauronic acid routine with massage and they have improved greatly! Remember to wear your skin before applying to hyalauronic acid serum. 😊😊

What causes them? I don't have them, so they are not an inevitable part of ageing. Is it a particular facial type?

It will depend on things like the skeletal structure of your face (mainly your maxilla and mandible), whether you experience bone loss there as you age, the distribution of fat and muscle (genetic) and how elastic your skin is (largely genetic).

I have a combination of deep set eyes and high cheekbones which has given me hollows under my eyes since I was about 25. No cream, pill or facial yoga will change the underlying bone structure or fat distribution that predisposes people to things like this.

We all age differently. You might get them in the future.