To be shocked at the net migration figures currently being discussed

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Yesterday’s figures discussed by the Tories stated that since 2010 the net migration figures to the UK has equalled the size of the population of Wales. Today we were told the figures to June 2023 showed a net migration figure of nearly 1 million for that year, for the year to June 2024 this had reduced to a mere 3/4 of a million. The numbers coming in of the boats per year alone is equal to a large town. AIBU to think this has to stop. We need to immediately crack down on people allowed into this country- limit it to urgently needed highly skilled jobs and start offshore processing (or similar) of the people who are here illegally (basically like many other countries).

We just can’t cope with those numbers. - no wonder our infrastructure is collapsing, we have a housing crisis etc.

I want to hear from the government how they are going to tackle it. We have heard from the Tories now it is over to Starmer.

I think the west, and it will be the west specifically, needs to massively adjust their attitude to immigration.

fact is as climate events become more regular with the sociopolitical upheavals that inevitably accompany them, migration is going to happen. Mass migrations will occur whether or not people in other countries agree to them or not.

we can either plan for this and face it with a cohesive plan to keep the societies we have or we can battle against it and ultimately lose because the battle ultimately means changing societal values and outlooks.

i would like to see the government actively arranging for immigrants to be self sufficient as soon as possible. Stories of men hanging around hostels needn't be the norm. If they were allowed to work and contribute formally we could all benefit. Temporary rights aren’t impossible to manage and retain the means to deport if their application isn’t accepted.

Our public services are collapsing because we've had 14 years of a government that is ideologically opposed to the very idea of publicly funded amenities. It's more than possible to support the population of this country - immigrants included - with responsible use of public funds. Blaming the collapsing NHS and crumbling schools on "small boats" and "illegals" is exactly the trap the real thieves want you to fall into.

We need to address the messaging around immigration and the cynical manipulation of public opinion - and we had better do it quickly, because climate change is going to mean mass movement of people on an unprecedented scale over the coming decades, whether we like it or not.

Thank you. I thought the same. My mother who was born in the 1930s rarely ever saw a black person when she was a child growing up.

That figure isn’t showing any further demographics such as reasons for migration. Familial ties, job etc. it’s not actually that easy to migrate to the UK, whatever you may think.

Yes.
Thats what 'net' means.
The difference between those leaving and those coming in....

Yes because the black people that Britain dominated and exploited in colonies were generally not allowed to come to Britain.

Again, no it wasn’t. This country was successful for many centuries - if you’re referring to the British Empire - as your post seems to follow that false narrative - it only existed for the blink of an eye compared to this country and is previous incarnations history of success.

Do you know how many modern inventions came from Britain, do you know our history beyond some self flagating internet propaganda?

Are you talking about people who come on the boats?

Do you think that stoppng the boats will have a significant impact on net migration?

I love how British people talk about asylum seekers as though they're a different species. Do they not realise they're one major political event away from becoming the dreaded and awful asylum seekers themselves???

Nope they are putting people claiming asylum - legally- in hotels while their claim is processed - speed up the process with better staffing/ funding and they will be deported or working

Wow. This is an amazing post. Are you genuinely saying that colonies contributed nothing significant to British success? WHAT?

Are we talking about refugees though from desperate situations or are we talking about economic migrants/expats though? Of course refugees and asylum seekers fleeing war or religious/ethnic persecution can't just go back. Being an expat is a little different though.

Agree thee is wild gov mismanagement but disagree there is “enough for all”

In 22 53.8% of uk population were net recipients (not net contributors) this was 55% in 21

These are truly depressing stats and I don’t think it’s sustainable however you want to cut it

Yes i think there’s a lot of talk about the fact these figures will be revised upwards- the BBC reported that the figures for 2023 had already been revised upward and a further adjustment for the two years was expected

'An expat'

That is such a quirky British word. I love it.

Why are you saying hotels full of men are mythical if you acknowledge they exist? The hotel near me is solely full of men. The home office puts women and children elsewhere. Given how many more men come over by boat than women it’s inevitable that the hotels in use by the government are predominantly full of men. Odd you pretend the person who mentioned them was making things up.

but do we need and can we cope with this many immigrants? If we can that's fine but no one is suggesting investing in schools etc to cope with this. It's always the working class communities that have to make do with less whilst the wealthier middle classes sneer 'racist' when they complain. Managed migration is fine - this unmanaged chaos is not. BTW the Tories have a cheek acting concerned about this now. The only policy they had was the Rwanda scheme that was always a mere unworkable distraction designed to make them look tough.

Legal or illegals, boats or visas, the UK doesn't need any more unskilled migrants or non-working dependents. Unskilled migrants can only take crap jobs and will accept lower wages, bringing wages down. British people don't take these jobs is because they are not paid enough. You cannot raise a family or live decently by being a fruit picker, construction worker, waiter, etc.

Stop unskilled/dependent migration, bring wages up and put British ppl back to work, and to cover the costs maybe actually tackle the real issue: the super-rich, the mega-companies hoarding wealth and not paying taxes.

Western countries need to rebuild their industrial and productive base and working class.

Free trade and free movement of ppl make this goal impossible to achieve.

Uber, Amazon, Deliveroo, etc. of course they love it, they have workers for very cheap and they don't pay taxes on profit. They actually don't need to bother with British people at all, except to milk them off their money by luring them with prime, free deliveries and other fake "perks" because unskilled labour is so cheap.

That's due to the aging population though. Which is only going to worse in the short term.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I was saying that the 'hotel full of men' was being presented as this awful mythical horror, in a world where real horrors exist.

So what if men are put up in hotels while their claim is being processed? What do you suggest?

@LivingLaVidaBabyShower deliberately running down public services - which has always been the ideological driver behind Tory governments - leads directly to higher levels of economic inactivity. People are poorer, sicker, more alienated and psychologically damaged, so more of them are unable to work or participate in society.

Well exactly. If the started using hotels in the “posh areas“ making private schools take the kids who can’t speak the language” etc I suspect there might be a different view from certain quarters on mums net

532,000 people left the UK. And our infrastructure is shit because our government refused to spend any money on it for 14 years then told everyone to blame asylum seekers and legal migrants.

Well living in a trust area, so what. These hotels would normally house tourists. Tourists who spend, have a meal out every night, buy stuff from the local shops, use tourist attractions. The migrants don’t do any of this. It takes money out the local economy. That is just the economic side of things.

Agree. The middle classes can loftily sneer about gammons from the safety of their leafy white enclaves.