To be shocked at the net migration figures currently being discussed

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Yesterday’s figures discussed by the Tories stated that since 2010 the net migration figures to the UK has equalled the size of the population of Wales. Today we were told the figures to June 2023 showed a net migration figure of nearly 1 million for that year, for the year to June 2024 this had reduced to a mere 3/4 of a million. The numbers coming in of the boats per year alone is equal to a large town. AIBU to think this has to stop. We need to immediately crack down on people allowed into this country- limit it to urgently needed highly skilled jobs and start offshore processing (or similar) of the people who are here illegally (basically like many other countries).

We just can’t cope with those numbers. - no wonder our infrastructure is collapsing, we have a housing crisis etc.

I want to hear from the government how they are going to tackle it. We have heard from the Tories now it is over to Starmer.

I would call balls on the heavily caveated research (read what the authors have said at the bottom of it) you have quoted which doesnt cover recent years either. The research you quote also points to downward trend in migrant earnings.

Most of the visas issued in the past few years for skilled worker routes were for jobs which have below average earnings. 72% of migrant worker visas in 2022-23 were for low wage roles. 54% of those visas were for jobs which pay less than half the UK average salary!

Its a hard, low paying job which many people don't want to do. They would happily to it if they paid more.

Do you think all of those seeking asylum are genuinely seeking asylum? 🙃

Possibly but either we make it affordable for British people to train as doctors or we are going to be stuck with a doctor shortage in the NHS.

Of course they aren't. They are largely Christian or gay which means they cannot ever return back home.

There is now an over supply of doctors with many unable to get permanent jobs. There are as many foreign trained doctors in the NHS and UK trained.

Where did you get these figures from? Genuine curiosity.

If you cannot return home because you are Christian or gay, you are being persecuted (possibly to a life threatening degree) because of a personal characteristic.

According to the 1951 Convention on Refugees, the UN Treaty laying out the structure of the asylum process, this is a valid reason to seek asylum. So I am not sure what you mean?

Many lie about being Christian or gay in order to claim asylum. Hence why certain visa programmes for nationals of certain countries have been recalled due to the misuse.

The thing is UK can reduce immigration if it wanted to as illegal immigration still remains a very small proportion.. The fact is though care homes, farms, hospitals and universities need migrants and that is why net migration is so high. It will continue to increase due to reducing birth rates and the ageing population. People can get irate. But those are the facts. In fact all European countries will have increasing net migration over the next few decades unless the fall in birth rates is reversed. It's an irony that those who voted Brexit increased immigration from Asia while reducing immigration from Europe, especially given that immigration from Europe is less likely to be permanent.

Yes and I’m sure those putting those as the reason they’re claiming asylum know this. Maybe if they are later found to not be active members of a church or in a relationship with a member of the opposite sex it would then be safe to return them to their home country? That would seem sensible

They are housed in a hotel (or dispersal accommodation) once the Home Office has accepted their asylum claim, at which point they have the right to stay in the UK while a decision is being made on their case (and for any further appeals etc) so yes, they are legal

They SAY they are Christian or Gay.

You aren’t granted asylum on just your word. The bar for evidence is rather high

You aren’t granted asylum on just your word. The bar for evidence is rather high

Would you say it's possible to lie and get through the system?

I feel fine but anything that begins with Bring back and/or National Service isn;t going to be good.

Rubbish. I could telll you stories form people that should never be heard.

Why? What do you object about national service?

it’s almost as if they could lie during the approval process in order to be granted asylum and then live a totally different life when they’re here isn’t it? 🙃

Tbh they're not very chatty after a few hundred years underground.

Because once you take out the short term unemployed, the students, the SAHPs, the early retirees, those who don’t need to work due to a high earning partner, those with disabilities, your pool of working age people available for work is incredibly small. And those that remain are very unlikely to be suited to care work.

Where I am we have huge cohorts of early retirees (“Down from Londons”) in their 50s and early 60s buying up local houses. Care homes and farms are universally staffed by immigrants - perhaps we should round up all the DFLs and force them to pick raspberries and wipe arses?

it’s only going to get worse - already infants schools only have half-full reception classes, meaning even fewer workers in 20 years time and meanwhile our elderly population is ballooning.

So are the immigrant populations miraculously not going to age or something? Is it just native British people who get old?

No. It’s about the evidence

What evidence can someone provide to prove without doubt they are gay?

The higher immigration levels of got, the worse state our economy is in.

Most people would recognise we need some levels of immigration, but if high immigration was genuinely a big economic boost then this thread would be moot.