To be shocked at the net migration figures currently being discussed

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Yesterday’s figures discussed by the Tories stated that since 2010 the net migration figures to the UK has equalled the size of the population of Wales. Today we were told the figures to June 2023 showed a net migration figure of nearly 1 million for that year, for the year to June 2024 this had reduced to a mere 3/4 of a million. The numbers coming in of the boats per year alone is equal to a large town. AIBU to think this has to stop. We need to immediately crack down on people allowed into this country- limit it to urgently needed highly skilled jobs and start offshore processing (or similar) of the people who are here illegally (basically like many other countries).

We just can’t cope with those numbers. - no wonder our infrastructure is collapsing, we have a housing crisis etc.

I want to hear from the government how they are going to tackle it. We have heard from the Tories now it is over to Starmer.

Did it? Oh no! 😁

Wakey wakey... the whole hotel thing is about MONEY

There are 11 million people of working age not in employment, perhaps look at those working before stating we need migrant labour?

What proportion of that is illegal?

This is what’s happened in tonnes of Northern towns such as Huddersfield etc. a shame indeed.

They all integrated well whilst keeping their own traditions.. Their children went to school with mine, are now members of the community with kids of their own

Indeed, and I also lived in a city with such a community.
The same is not necessarily true for all new arrivals or communities though, and just denying this when people can see it with their own eyes, in their own towns, isn't helpful.

"We need immigrants to do low-skilled low-paid work"? Do you even hear yourselves when you type this? You may as well go HOORAY FOR SLAVERY.

Immigration keeps wages deliberately low. Raise wages and give British citizens training opportunities with jobs attached, and then you'll have no need to be reliant on mass migration. As a bonus, the destruction of our social contract from those culturally incompatible with us will stop and crime rates might drop, too.

If you believe yourself to be feminist, mass immigration should be a major concern.

not the sort of men you’d want if you value your freedoms I presume.

Not the cause? I’m confused how an increase of 906,000 people in this country wouldn’t have an impact on our infrastructure (housing, traffic, NHS etc) - can you explain?

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A large part of the lack of doctors and dentists is because the work/life balance and pay/conditions here are encouraging many to go abroad.

Then in an attempt to cut down on immigration we’ve prevented people wanting to work in healthcare from bringing their family with them so now we have fewer people wanting to immigrate and take those jobs. The situation is probably much worse when it comes to lower skilled health and social care jobs.

The idea that immigration is causing all our problems, particularly with healthcare services is laughably inaccurate. OPs need to start trying better.

High quality necessary immigrants- not the loads that arrive illegally - shoplifting gangs &c
My neighbour is a highly skilled migrant from a non EU country and has had to pay many thousands in fees to stay here.

She is a net asset to the Country.
Married now to an Englishman- Lovely well behaved bilingual children.

Criminals we don’t need.

Australia and NZ are tough.

Good for them.

What shocks me is the total lack of any government plan to fix public services, the housing crisis, the rentals crisis, tax the fucking useless royals inheritances, address the cost of living crisis, reduce precarious employment, tell us how it intends to create quality jobs, build prisons, train prison officers and tackle the drugs epidemic and crime, including illegal immigrants, as if they actually cared or had a clue what they were doing.

Net contributor/recipient figures are a made-up statistic designed to cause resentment amongst those who see themselves as "net contributors" and to make a scapegoat out of those that they consider to be "net recipients" - many of whom in earlier times used to be labelled "scroungers".

For example, how do you put a value on the work done by people who care for elderly or infirm relatives? They save the taxpayer thousands of pounds and are rewarded with a pittence, but are labelled "net recipients" by those who choose to value everything in terms of money rather than look at the social value of what people do. Sometimes these people even get into power - Jeremy Hunt being a prime example of a man who knew the price of everything but who understood the value of nothing.

Flip side would be to encourage all those UK grads to emigrate to other countries. That should help wouldn't it???? Or maybe just keep the grads and get rid of the riff raff. (which migh include some grads of course)

I mean for centuries people have left the UK because they were persecuted, or because a family had too many sons or daughters, or they were criminals or they were orphans.

Or because they thought they'd be better off financially in Canada or Singapore or Patagonia.

All of which sounds a bit like why people come to the UK as well....

Couldn't we have argued that they all should stay there and fight and sort themselves out?

Quite a few Ukrainian men did stay in Ukraine to fight, the majority did actually. Or did you mean women and children?

I don't think any of use who have not been in a Taliban like government

What is it like for women who stay behind under the Taliban if more and more of their men leave?

Because THAT'S the main point here?

Mumsnet immigration thread bingo

• this country was build on immigration!
• a mention of ‘Islamaphobia’
• a story about how their child (insert other close family member) loves how ‘diverse’ their area is and has loads of friends from all over the globe and how enriching it’s been
• anyone with an opposing view to their own is ‘right wing’
• ”the NHS would collapse without immigration!”

This is false. The 1951 Convention on the Status of Refugees, the UN Treaty governing the behaviour of those seeking and granting refugee status, imposes no requirement to seek asylum in the first country you come to.

OTOH the Dublin Agreement does provide an orderly process for deciding where in the EU someone wishing to make an asylum claim there should do it. If only the UK had not left the EU, we would be subject to the DA.

Oddly enough many who are most opposed to immigration, especially irregular immigration, seem to have voted for Brexit.

DH basically pays for healthcare three times:
1st time - paying the NHS surcharge upfront when he applied for his visa
2nd time - his monthly NI contributions
3rd time - private medical insurance insurance that he pays as it’s the only way to see a doctor here.

I believe women on dependent visas also have to pay the NHS surcharge in advance of receiving their dependant visas.

There is a huge cost to all of this indeed!

Totally agree, numbers are presented in a way that gets people's backs up, and without full explanation.

The greatest proportion of migration is legal migration. Illegal migration is just a tiny proportion. What with declining birth rates and ageing population there will be increasing migration in most developed countries. All Brexit did in fact was replace immigrants from Europe with immigrants from Asia. There was a lot of immigrants into the UK recently from Asia - nurses/midwifes/doctors https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-and-the-health-and-care-workforce/

I can only go by my own experience. When I was a kid, this was a quiet market town. Today it's more like an overcrowded warzone. Everywhere I go they are building, building, building. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for two giant housing estates, a second estate has been built at the other end of the village, and we've just heard that the fields in the centre are going to be built on too. The main road into town is going to have 500 new homes built along it as well. That road is clogged with traffic now, so what the hell is going to happen when an extra 500 cars are added? In fact, the traffic is so bad we'll soon be booking time slots to use the roads.

At times I feel like I'm suffocating. My one consolation has always been nature. At the weekends, I would get out into the countryside, as far from noise and people as possible, and de-stress. That's becoming harder and harder. Anyone out there who thinks they're going to "retire to the county for a bit of peace and quiet" is a deluded fool. By the time you retire, there won't be any countryside – just endless red-brick rabbit hutches jammed on top of one another.

There are too many people squeezed onto this small island, it's as simple as that.

This thread should be taken down. It is repeating so much false information.

Where are you getting resources to accommodate more people?

Uk is neither a natural resource rich country nor a country with great landmass. Where are extra people going to live and where is the money coming for more doctors, hospitals and other public services? Would you want it to become a low tax economy attracting large corporates to get the economy going? There is a limit beyond which you cannot sustain population increase.