Did anybody see the Panaroma about binge drinking last night?

[Orangelight23]

Real eye opener for me. Women in their 30s being diagnosed with liver disease. I must admit I have myself been drawn into wine culture and drinking wine to relax.

It's made me have a real think about my alcohol intake to be honest.

Alcohol is a poison. You at least get some minor nutritional benefits from junk food.

I think it’s to say the point has gone over your head ie you have missed the point. Apologies if that’s not the clarification you were seeking. In which case I have missed the point!

Thank you.

I wasn't defending drinking, I was saying it won't ever go away.

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Being overweight is just as risky (if not more) than smoking and drinking to overall health.

Especially if the drinking is not excessive.

Again, nobody condones excess/binge drinking but I don’t agree with this hypocrisy and singling out alcohol as far worse for you than anything else in existence. We’ve so far had arguments that heroin is better than alcohol (so shooting up heroin is better than a few glasses of wine - really?) and see also smoking - more of a carcinogen and directly linked to lung cancer.

The problem is you dilute your arguments when you get silly….

Sorry, did I quote you? You were not the poster who made the original comment I was referring to I don’t think.

Exactly. And you need food to survive - imagine being addicted to something that you would quite literally die without.

Just seen your edited comments 🤷🏼‍♀️ I was not having a go at you.

I also gave up 10 years ago. So easy to go from a social drinker to not being able to go without

@Delatron

Being overweight is just as risky (if not more) than smoking and drinking to overall health.

Debatable: so many other factors at play. Obesity certainly is a big health risk.

But problem drinking isn’t just about managing risks to your own health. Because there’s a psycho-social dimension to it it’s not just about the impact on the body it’s the impact on the mind and the minds of others.

Drinking to excess causes significant problems through psychological damage to children, social challenges, depression, violence etc.

An obese person is only putting their own health at risk. A heavy drinker is almost certainly creating havoc in the lives of their family and friends.

I dunno - didn't the WHO say women of childbearing age should avoid all alcohol due to the risk of FAS?

The energetic pushback against this advice was, exactly, because it imposes on women a duty to hold themselves ready to bear healthy babies at any time, planned or not.

That is retrograde for female rights and, as the PP remarked, has overtones of The Handmaid's Tale.

Non alcohol Fatty Liver disease is on the rise from the unhealthy foods we eat so not just alcohol.

Yes I did caveat my post by saying that nobody agrees with binge drinking or drinking heavily. I’m talking about drinking within the guidelines.

I would argue that an overweight person who has significant health issues because of this can put a burden on others and the healthcare system.

I'm not quite 50 and have lost three friends to alcohol related cancer. I feel more pressure to drink socially than my own children do and I hate the 'go home and have a glass of wine' culture.
I prefer not drinking at all now.

I hate it too. The older I get the more I resent the way it’s pushed at you all the time.

I watched the programme just now. I thought it was very interesting, but I felt the journalist was not being clear about how much she was drinking, unlike the woman who admitted to 2-3 bottles a day.

I wondered why? I think it would have been helpful if she had clarified and made it clear that you don't have to be drinking 2-3 bottles a day to be at risk. Otherwise people might assume she was drinking a lot more than the odd binge and dismiss their own risk?

@Garlicpest

The energetic pushback against this advice was, exactly, because it imposes on women a duty to hold themselves ready to bear healthy babies at any time, planned or not.

That’s ridiculous. It’s not just about “bearing babies”. It’s the entire health picture which alcohol abuse challenges.

If we are going down the feminism rabbit hole here I think deliberately targeting women with advertising selling the benefits of alcohol is far more anti-feminist than public health information highlighting the fact that alcohol poses a risk to the unborn child.

I have peripheral neuropathy in hands and feet. I'll never drive a car again. I'll never be able to pick my teenage daughter up from nights out. I'll never be able to do many things. Huge drinking started early 20s. I had 2 kids spaced 12 years apart, large periods of abstinence. My liver isn't looking perfect, but it's looking a lot better than my central nervous system.

It will strike wherever, whenever, whomever. I take full responsibility for my diasability. It's never going to get better. I'd never tell anyone to be tee total. It's all about choice.

It's too late for me. The feelings in my hands and feet have gone. I can hope to repair my liver. I'm awaiting biopsy results of something completely unrelated - or is it?

It's just the way with some folks. As with everything, a lottery.

Already said this upthread.

red wine is good fir you in moderation i think the original thread was about binge drinking so im not sure why people are saying junk food has benefits in moderation when science proves the former is better

I saw the item on BBC News, but have yet to watch Panorama. I’ve also not read the whole thread, so apologies if someone else has already mentioned this.
I remember, several years ago, some of the TV doctors setting up a pop-up liver unit in various city centres and inviting passing members of the public in for a liver examination. I think the equipment measured how hard their livers were or something along those lines. The medics were amazed and horrified by the number of people who had problems. It really stuck in my mind.

oh and the benefits of red wine are scientifically proven to be fully negated if you are a smoker. there are zero benefits of smoking, to anyone

How do? I’ve cut down a good deal but still enjoy a glass. I’d like to stop but often use it as a crutch in social situations.

An obese person is only putting their own health at risk. A heavy drinker is almost certainly creating havoc in the lives of their family and friends.

i find it really sad that the last across the road can't walk her child to school and is starting to struggle with breathing. i feel sad that the child thinks it's normal to eat so much and follows suit

i don't think people realise that someone can drink 2-3 bottles of wine a day and function totally fine

i don't drink at all but i find it interesting seeing people generalise and try and justify their own addictions as more or less worthy