What do you think of Australia's vaccine policy?

[rampy]

I'm born and bred Aussie. We live in WA and kids here can't go to kindy or school
without having been vaccinated. I have a couple of British friends who were so offended that they needed to vaccinate their kids they home schooled because 'well we'll just go back to the uk' but they've stayed and now need to get their kids vaccinated because they have no friends their own age and can't go to school without vaccines.

You can't apply for child related benefits if your kid isn't vaccinated either here.

Having seen NZ have just declared a whooping cough epidemic Id say I agree with WA stance I'm honest!

Ah, so there is data. Care to share?

Keep pumping the vaccines into you and wonder why in the 21st century there is so much cancer, autoimmune diseases etc etc

Well you said this, which carries the clear implication that these things have increased.

I have a strong marriage and well-adjusted kids who are achieving great things at school.

We all have all our vaccinations.

Tsk. I hope you realise that many studies show you're all 1000% more likely to develop autoimmune diseases than unvaxxed people. If you don't believe it, do your own research. I don't have time to do it for you.

*satire, for those who need it pointed out.

😆Had me reaching for my blood pressure pills

Why are doctors not seeing this anecdata? They see patients every day. If these issues were occurring in large numbers, they would be noting it.

This vaccine rollout, because it was essentially worldwide and all at the same time, was basically unprecedented in its opportunities for data collection.

bEcaUzE biG PhArMa

it’s all a massive conspiracy where millions of medical professionals and trained scientists are colluding in their fetish to inject children with harmful chemicals.

The only people who know the truth are a small group of warriors who haven’t bought into the scientific world view conspiracy by doing anything as stupid as studying pharmacology or medicine. They’ve seen through the lies and kept their minds pure with only internet truths.

True dat 😁

I hope you don’t poison your body with that shit. Don’t you know I they bind them with puppy tears?

The Australian policy sounds great to me. I think the rise in antivaccine propaganda and other anti-scientific nonsense is one of the most tragic things in current society, and it underpins a lot of other ominous stuff such as the rise of the far-right. It's the "alternative facts" ideology taking more and more power, replacing education with magical thinking.

And people who fall for it can't even see that most of the scammers who are lying to them about vaccines are financially motivated: while trumpeting about Big Pharma these charlatans are usually simultaneously trying to sell supplements, talismans, mindfulness courses, "natural" treatments and other such bullshit.

I grew up "abroad", I've travelled quite a bit, and I've actually seen people dying of preventable disease due to poverty and lack of available medication and vaccines, I've seen families travelling for miles to get vaccines from the only clinic available. Western antivaxxers are simply very spoiled and unaware of their privilege- they've taken it for granted for too long that their children will survive to grow up, and so they don't understand what makes their confidence possible. I will always choose science and I also choose not to mix with people who profess to be antivaxxers.

I'm with WA. Brilliant policy. It's herd immunity and I would have no hesitation in vaccinating by children

Unsure why you’re whiffling about antivaxxers to me, I didn’t mention. Merely that cancer is on the increase.

I think because other posters have linked that, without evidence, to vaccination.

Exh had all the classic symptoms of bowel cancer (including the fact FIL has died from it.

He saw different doctors over the course of about 6 months
He tried to tell them his symptoms
They weren’t interested. as they only dealt with one symptom at a time and he could never get doctors to look at all his symptoms as a whole.

Why do you think doctors can pick up anecdotes when they can’t even pick up illnesses they are trained to spot.

There are bad GPs and good GPs who are too rushed and don't listen, of course. But if dozens or twenties or hundreds of patients start coming in, reporting similar symptoms or if there is a surge in autoimmune illnesses after a mass vaccination drive, GPs are the ones who are going to notice in the first instance.

Sad to say that of course there are always going to be some people who suffer with side effects or long-term reactions from vaccinations or from a virus (just as a certain percentage of people get ME after glandular fever) but that GPs aren't flagging it seems to point to it being more uncommon than the anti-vaxxers would have you believe.

Also to say that there are many countries where GPs are less overwhelmed than in the NHS (and there are private ones here) who would absolutely have the time and interest to be paying attention to this.

I’m a Brit and I wish we had a policy like that over here.

I heard it was seasonal. If they can't make the puppies cry hard enough then minced kittens or a lightly poached duckling will have to do.

@Mirabai I was quoting your post, because it was relevant to my comment (ie raised a similar point), I was not “whiffling” to you. It’s a shame you appear incapable of recognising the difference. Perhaps me directing my comment directly to you this time will help you to understand the difference in future…

For anyone still questioning vaccination, here's a picture of a set of graves from a family plot where all of the children died within a month of each other from diphtheria. A disease prevented by vaccination.

Interestingly, they've known about diabetes for centuries. In medieval England it was called 'the honey disease' and you were told to avoid sweet things (if you were rich enough to be able to afford a physician who would taste your urine. )

I think the rise in cancer has an awful lot to do with the amount of nuclear stuff that's ended up in the atmosphere over the years.

Meanwhile big pharma has totally got me with all the free vaccines I've had! Yay!

Diabetes is on the increase due to obesity. It’s not merely that it is more diagnosed. Diabetes incidence doubled between 1992 - 2020 and cases are continuing to rise.

I specified T1 though, that has nothing whatsoever to do with obesity.

They may have known about it in medieval england but they didn't know how to treat it. That came as recently as 1921. Prior to that, the life expectancy of someone with T1 could be measured in months rather than years, nowadays it s common to live 40, 50 years or even longer. So clearly ONE factor in the increased numbers of people with T1 can be put down to there being more people with the condition still being alive.

90% of diabetics are type 2 and that’s the one that is snowballing. Diabetes is set to double globally by 2050. That is nothing whatsoever to do with type 1 patients surviving when they wouldn’t have 100 years ago.

It's regulated at the state level, and five states (including NY and CA) don't allow religious exemptions.

https://www.ncsl.org/health/state-non-medical-exemptions-from-school-immunization-requirements

California eliminated the religious exemption after widespread abuse led to a particularly bad measles outbreak. Let's hope others follow suit.

Type 1 diabetes is also on the increase, not just type 2, and cases increased significantly during the covid 19 pandemic.

www.diabetes.org.uk/our-research/about-our-research/hot-topics/what-causes-type-1 www.diabetes.org.uk/our-research/about-our-research/hot-topics/what-causes-type-1]]]]

T1 diabetes can be both caused and exacerbated by covid (the disease, not the vaccine)

The relationship between SARS-CoV-2 infection and type 1 diabetes mellitus | Nature Reviews Endocrinology

Covid infections also affect the immune system, and this may be implicated in a rise in cancer.