What do you think of Australia's vaccine policy?

[rampy]

I'm born and bred Aussie. We live in WA and kids here can't go to kindy or school
without having been vaccinated. I have a couple of British friends who were so offended that they needed to vaccinate their kids they home schooled because 'well we'll just go back to the uk' but they've stayed and now need to get their kids vaccinated because they have no friends their own age and can't go to school without vaccines.

You can't apply for child related benefits if your kid isn't vaccinated either here.

Having seen NZ have just declared a whooping cough epidemic Id say I agree with WA stance I'm honest!

Fair!

The 'herd immunity' has been debunked. Many years ago I looked at studies of outbreak in one or 2 schools in China if I remember rightly where more than 95% of the children were vaccinated but still there was an outbreak and children got infected.

These policies don’t change the actions of committed anti vaxxers but they are pretty effective for a whole load of disorganised parents. We forgot about my daughters 18 month needles so when I enrolled her in childcare at 2 years old we had to catch up or we would not have been eligible for childcare subsidy. Vaccinating reduces our childcare costs from about $480 to $190 per week so you would have to have some pretty strident views not to do it.

Interesting how @Annabmt has gone quiet and @Notmoog has taken up the mantle?

@Odin2018

The 'herd immunity' has been debunked. Many years ago I looked at studies of outbreak in one or 2 schools in China if I remember rightly where more than 95% of the children were vaccinated but still there was an outbreak and children got infected.

An outbreak of what exactly? And do you have a source for the "debunking" of herd immunity?

Death is not the only consequence of measles - it can cause deafness, encephalitis and other complications. SSPE, the complication that leads most often to death, is preceded by brain damage, dementia, epilepsy and loss of motor function - all of which can onset years after infection.

If everyone decided to be as selfish as antivaxxers, measles deaths would inevitably climb. Look at what happened in Samoa when vaccination rates dropped significantly.

Deaths are low (but not as low as they should be) because we have vaccinations.

Honestly, the level of scientific illiteracy is appalling.

Yes.

Have you got any sources for the claim that ‘unvaccinated people have 1,000% less chronic conditions’?

No?

Best leave the discussion to those of us trained to evaluate scientific research, then.

Measles.
Look it up for yourself. Do your own research. It was in a medical journal.

This!

No, it hasn’t. Look at Samoa - vax levels dropped significantly, loads of people died (mainly children).

Look at the fact that measles was eradicated in the UK in 2016 & 17, but reemerged when vaccination rates dropped.

One case study in China that you haven’t referenced does not not trump scientific consensus about the efficacy and importance of vaccination programmes.

I wish England was like that.

Ah, the classic ‘I’m not going to provide any evidence for my outlandish claims because you should know exactly how to find it’.

Definitely not because it’s entirely made up / doesn’t actually say what you’re claiming.

For adults, fine. Don't vaccinate yourself.

For kids, I don't want them to die or be impaired for life because their parents have decided they know better than medical experts.

Then there's also immune compromised people who can be vaccinated but are at much higher risk if they do get illnesses. People who don't vaccinate their kids because they'll probably fine aren't thinking about those people.

Yes, medically trained. Go look and research for yourselves. People have a tendency to follow everyone else like sheep because the 'experts' told them they are 'safe and effective' and people are brought to a place of unhinged fear, when there is evidence buried to the contrary.

Anyone with GCSE biology would know that the average mask will not stop a virus neither will standing 1 or 2 metres apart from the next person but yet millions were brainwashed to believe this. Unbelievable how people are so fragile and can be so easily duped and coerced.

I havent got the time to go back and find it. Look it up for yourself. I dont have the time. If you are so adamant I am wring you would want to read more about it amd fond the studies.

If more than 95% of them were vaccinated why did many of the catch measles.

Just ignore the previous post about different demographic locations and people and keep bashing on.

I haven't referenced it because I am not able to spend time at this moment looking for it. Look for it before you keep stamping your foot and saying no, no, no.

Do you mean this paper?

Characteristics of measles epidemics in China (1951-2004) and implications for elimination: A case study of three key locations - PMC

If so, you've completely misunderstood it!

At work now so will come back at some stage.

@Odin2018

Yes, medically trained. Go look and research for yourselves. People have a tendency to follow everyone else like sheep because the 'experts' told them they are 'safe and effective' and people are brought to a place of unhinged fear, when there is evidence buried to the contrary.

Anyone with GCSE biology would know that the average mask will not stop a virus neither will standing 1 or 2 metres apart from the next person but yet millions were brainwashed to believe this. Unbelievable how people are so fragile and can be so easily duped and coerced.

This reply alone shows that you are not medically trained.

God help anyone who has an antivaxxer as a clinician.

Covid measures were a balance between compliance and reducing transmission. Only complete isolation can prevent transmission, but mask wearing and social distancing is effective in reducing it.

Plenty of studies to support this; anyone with GCSE physics can understand the mechanisms involved.

So, just to be clear, you’re dismissing the info I’ve supplied about Samoa because it’s a different demographic and location?

Whilst simultaneously using China - also a different demographic and location - to try and suggest herd immunity has been debunked?

OK, that seems like classic anti vax logic.

I’ll take your reasoning and run with it, though.

Putting Samoa aside for a second, the paper posted above by @meditrina suggests that the research would indicate the different behaviours any characteristics of China’s population mean that herd immunity requires closer to 99% vaccination rates for complete eradication.

Several other papers I’ve just skimmed (link below because I don’t expect people to believe me without evidence) suggest that the outbreaks were in specific populations where vaccination rates were much lower than 95%.

In other words, it’s as if England had 95% vax rates, but Swindon had an outbreak because only 75% of its residents were vaccinated.

www.researchgate.net/publication/281819555_Investigation_of_a_Measles_Outbreak_in_China_to_Identify_Gaps_in_Vaccination_Coverage_Routes_of_Transmission_and_Interventions

And everyone else will be praying that your children don't die from measles, or become deaf and infertile from mumps.

Tell me - do you have numbers on how many people suffer permanent damage from vaccines vs. those that just died from the disease?

Wow this took off! I agree wholeheartedly with the legislation in case it wasn't clear. I feel like people who don't vaccinate their children should have to speak to drs and nurses who treat the children who die every year from preventable illnesses. Awful.

Our senate just agreed to ban social media for kids under 16, I agree with that too.

Keep pumping the vaccines into you and wonder why in the 21st century there is so much cancer, autoimmune diseases etc etc BUT HEY - no studies to prove it. I wonder why? Big pharma and money.

If you want to jab yourself up to the hilt with 50 vaccines go right ahead if it makes you feel superior or better and think you and yours will live longer...and leave us unvaccinated, uneducated peasants to die excruciating deaths.

Both grandparents on both sides of the family 85+ and still alive. So are all their offsprings etc.... none have been jabbed. Been all over the world - but you can keep trying to tell me I am uneducated and stupid, but it will go through one ear and out the other.

but you can keep trying to tell me I am uneducated and stupid, but it will go through one ear and out the other.

Best. Self-own. Ever.