What do you think of Australia's vaccine policy?

[rampy]

I'm born and bred Aussie. We live in WA and kids here can't go to kindy or school
without having been vaccinated. I have a couple of British friends who were so offended that they needed to vaccinate their kids they home schooled because 'well we'll just go back to the uk' but they've stayed and now need to get their kids vaccinated because they have no friends their own age and can't go to school without vaccines.

You can't apply for child related benefits if your kid isn't vaccinated either here.

Having seen NZ have just declared a whooping cough epidemic Id say I agree with WA stance I'm honest!

@Newdaynewstarts

So many different points I can’t make out what your message is

I think what the poster was getting at is that in general, indigenous people in WA are vulnerable to chronic diseases such as diabetes and renal disease. During Covid, indigenous people were particularly susceptible to severe outcomes. That is part of the reason why Australia's Covid response was so strict, and why WA has these vaccination requirements now.

Australia is not the UK and should not be considered with the same socio-geographic lens.

Childcare got enough bugs as is let alone if the kids are unvaxed! Especially whooping cough, spreading to newborns. That's dreadful.

I think it should be mandatory everywhere, too many of these "old" illnesses are reappearing now, measles, whooping cough etc, and the only reason for that is the anti vaxxers thinking they know better than medical professionals who have studied and trained for many years to know what is best for the population, it makes me so mad that people are putting others at risk for no good or proven reason. Get ya kids vaccinated people, be responsible.

Nope, wouldn't like a fat jab either 😐
Just leave us alone, how about that?
Since vaccines are amazing, you shouldn't get any illnesses, you'll be safe.

Vaccines do cause issues, many autoimmune conditions are very likely from vaccines and other modern medicines etc.
Survival of the fittest is actually a thing in nature
But now, everyone wants to desperately live now matter how ill they are, that's the problem.
Maybe we should accept the cycle of life?

@sunshinestar1986

Vaccines do cause issues, many autoimmune conditions are very likely from vaccines and other modern medicines etc.

No, they are not "likely" from vaccines. Autoimmune conditions are commonly genetic and/or sparked off by viruses - not vaccines. Sometimes, autoimmune conditions do appear after excessive use of certain medications, but disappear once the medication is ceased.

It is the viruses that cause issues, not the vaccines.

If you say so, but I've read peer reviewed articles that allude to what I said. And funny how everyone is so much healthier than in the past and yet so much sicker.
Modern health care has its benefits and downsides.

Wrong way round - you leave us alone.

Ignore science and evidence-based medicine, as is your right, but don’t expect any of us to prop up that decision with our herd immunity or free healthcare when you get sick.

I’d go further than Australia and say that unvaccinated people pay for any healthcare related to a preventable disease.

Again, entirely the choice of the individual to opt out of an expectation of society - no human rights infringed, no forced injections. Medical (but not religious) exemptions honoured.

That should make everyone happy, shouldn’t it?

I’m Australian (living in Australia) and I’m very happy with the vaccination policy. I feel like my child is safe at school, etc as she is most likely to only gets colds, etc not serious diseases. Children with allergies or severe vaccine reactions are obviously exempt and I think that’s fair enough. I have personally experienced very few people who object to the vaccines and any that do tend to have quite extreme views on other things so are less likely to be interested in mainstream government schooling or childcare.

Source for the claim re autoimmune diseases?

Are you medically trained? Do you even have science GCSEs?

Our herd immunity eh?
My vaccinated nephew got measles and then so did his unnvacinated new born baby brother who barely left the house.They both got ill and then recovered.
The baby was more sick I would say, but is such a strong boy now compared to his older brother. You cannot convince me that vaccines do much for healthy people.
Therefore, perhaps people who are known to have immune problems should have it.
Also, take your free health care where the sun don't shine. What health care are you talking about?
I've tried to get a blood test recently but can't seem to get an appointment at the GP these days.
Anyway, I've been paying for private health care, private dentists since the pandemic.
So actually yeah I am happy.
I was actually vaccinated with everything under the sun, no wonder I got so many health issues!
Never again.

Pointless anecdata.

Why bother with a blood test? Surely you won’t take any medicines given your distrust of science and medicine?

Vaccination doesn’t necessarily equal not getting infected, it is also designed to - as happened in your (pointless, single) example - lead to a less serious infection.

Measles is also a disease where serious complications can occur long after recovery - especially if caught very young. These include increased susceptibility to other diseases that can last for 3 years and in rare cases, SSPE, which is usually fatal. Let’s hope that’s not the case for your tiny nephew.

In 2016 and 2017, measles was eradicated in the UK, but falling vaccination rates saw it return in 2018.

So herd immunity works - and would have stopped your tiny relatives getting sick at all, were it not for misinformation and selfishness.

@sunshinestar1986

If you say so, but I've read peer reviewed articles that allude to what I said. And funny how everyone is so much healthier than in the past and yet so much sicker.

Modern health care has its benefits and downsides.

Have you heard of 'science' and the advances in medicine, diagnosis and pharmacology in just a few centuries? We even have anaesthesia now! MRIs can map inside your body - that will blow your mind.

My neighbour didn't have her children vaxxed for any of the routine childhood vaccinations, and none of her family have had Covid jabs because they "don't believe in chemicals" (I know...). This has not been an issue for school entry in England.

She does however believe in the chemicals that dye her hair and clothes, run her car, clean her house and helped her child recover from meningitis. Said child is now an adult, and was seeking to have all her childhood vaccines before she started university.

On the other side we have an older chap who had polio as a child and spent 2 years in an iron lung, and wore callipers on his legs later. He is very pro-vax and cites Australia often (he also likes compulsory voting). I like him a lot.

"but don’t expect any of us to prop up that decision with our herd immunity"
curious to know how this would work?

We can't convince you? So ..not only ignorant but determined to remain so 🤷‍♀️.

Your nephew wouldn't have caught measles at everyone got vaccines. Why do think you never got polio?

So much stupid everywhere.

A lot of people here need to travel to countries which do not have access to vaccines or have resistance. And see how that really works. I have. It's not pretty.

Am disgusted by the phrase " survival of the fittest" applied to children.

Vaccine for chicken pox is given to prevent shingles as an adult, which is an incredibly painful illness. A child died in Queensland recently due to an outbreak of whooping cough. I’ll stick with the vaccinations.

I don't think we are bots, thanks. Just people who understand the use and effects of vaccines.

I don't think that sounds likely. Citation and evidence?

That's very very unlikely to be the case and you come across a bit silly.( unless you have some stats. to back that up, which you won't as you randomly threw that in based on no evidence whatsoever)

The problem is, that leaves the kids whose parents are idiots to be educated by those idiots.

People can decide whether they wish to take a vaccine if 5 or less people per year in thr whole of England and Wales die if they don't.

Or those who don’t

Have you looked into the ingredients that go into jabs?