What do you think of Australia's vaccine policy?

[rampy]

I'm born and bred Aussie. We live in WA and kids here can't go to kindy or school
without having been vaccinated. I have a couple of British friends who were so offended that they needed to vaccinate their kids they home schooled because 'well we'll just go back to the uk' but they've stayed and now need to get their kids vaccinated because they have no friends their own age and can't go to school without vaccines.

You can't apply for child related benefits if your kid isn't vaccinated either here.

Having seen NZ have just declared a whooping cough epidemic Id say I agree with WA stance I'm honest!

I wonder if this is a bit like head lice though. In that the kids the untreated head lice really NEED to be in school. The children with anti vaxx parents are the ones who really need proper education, away from the parents and in school.

I think it's awful. Children shouldn't be prevented from getting an education based on decisions they have no control over. I think it's a terrible thing. I also don't think governments should be using blackmail or coercion to get people to vaccinate their kids. Mine were vaccinated but i would hate to feel that my hand was forced.

Totally agree with the policy. Where uptake of vaccines is low, they are now having outbreaks of diseases that had all but been eradicated. Also younger doctors will not have seen measles, mumps etc and it could be missed. People have forgotten that measles can kill. Well done to Australia.

Do we know if its improving vaccine uptake?

Yea and not counting the latent adverse reactions and epidemic of chronic degenerative disease autoimmune disorders, cancer, and neurological psychiatric conditions in children. SC40 is just one contaminant that has changed our DNA forever! Vaccines are a personal choice. The long term risks are not yet studied and I am skeptical of their alleged benefits, in light of data on overall health outcomes. Unvaccinated people have 1,000% less chronic conditions including those that are the leading killers - cancer, heart disease, autoimmune disorders.

I think unless a child has been exempted from vaccination by a medical professional, it should be compulsory for them to be vaccinated in order to access nursery/school.
move heard ant-vax parents say they don’t need to vaccinate as nobody ever gets polio/smallpox etc etc any more, and their child is too precious to inflict chemicals onto.
in order to achieve herd immunity, around 90% vaccination rate is necessary.
What these parents are effectively saying is they expect other parents to inflict vaccination on their children when they are not prepared to do likewise, then ride on the back of herd immunity. They fail to realise that if everyone did the same, these dangerous childhood diseases would re-surface and put many people at risk.
I think Australia 🇦🇺 has the right idea.

That sounds brilliant!

I think it's a great policy. These trendy parents thinking that vaccines are bad for their kids. Try living years ago without them when children were dying daily when very young from every day diseases.

I completely agree with this policy. It's for the greater good

Maybe the fear is of childhood epidemics coming back and many children becoming dead or disabled by polio, diptheria, measles etc.

Not to mention the bewilderment of how parents might put their outrage I over an aborted child that does decades ago over the health of their own children . Your own come first , God put those kids in your care. I'm pro life and despise abortion but I couldn't put a strangers kids above my own .

It's easy to see the anti vaxxrrs haven't grown up in a society where children died from illnesses that are preventable now.

DMum had friends who contracted polio and died or were impacted for life,a friend who was left blind by measles, mum herself spent weeks in quarantine hospital at the age of 4 and her own mother nearly died in the 1918/19 flu pandemic. And this wasn't unusual.

We are so lucky to have these incredible, life saving vaccines. So lucky.

Great policy, I’ve no time for anti-vaxers; they probably believe the Earth is flat too.

Well, the scaremongering can continue. I remember maybe 15-20 years ago there was a big scaremongering campaign in the UK saying that the uptake of the measles jab was at an all time low. Did any one die even though there wasnt 'herd immunity'? Just one person who was already in hospital sick with other illnesses BUT they put the fear of God in the whole nation. Still the uptake is low but we don't see children dropping like flies.

When my children were small they mixed with others that had chickenpox, it was the done thing. Never heard of any child dying of chickenpox where we lived BUT in the USA they have added a chickenpox vaccine. Why? They just keep adding and adding to the list of childhood jabs. My non vaccinated children weren't beneficiaries of herd immunity.

I am of the older generation and have watched the scaremongering tactics for decades. If people wish to pump their bodies full of these substances then thats their choice but don't expect others to have to do the same. Do your own research and do what you feel is right for your own.

People wonder why there are now so many people with cancer, autoimmune diseases etc etc when we are supposedly so much more advanced than centuries ago.

I’m surprised at the amount of uk parents saying they’ve never been asked about vaccinations by their school. I have to fill ours out every year for their medical records, both primary school and senior.

The school may ask but you don't have to give this information.

I am thinking it might be that they want the information incase of a medical emergency. I have never read anywhere that you are legally obliged to divulge your child's medical vax info to any school in the UK. I never gave them my children's information, just their doctor's details.

Really? I’ve 2 kids and I’m a teacher and have never heard of this.

Fine, you do you, your kids will do fine anyway, a lot of kids thrive under homeschooling. I think it's a personal decision to have vaccines but it does mean you can't demand your child gets a place in school.

In the UK its not mandatory to have childhood vaccines to go to school. Are Australian children more healthy than the UK children in terms of being vaccinated?

Can't speak for Australian children but UK children are healthy. They're no longer suffering from diptheria, polio, scarlet fever. We aren't seeing children blind, deaf, epileptic or with learning disabilities from measles or rubella either.

Bullshit.

Source?

Incorrect. Here are the stats for measles deaths in the UK for the last 80 odd years.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

An outbreak in Samoa killed more than 80 people, mostly children recently.

Death is not the only consequence of measles - it can cause deafness, encephalitis and other complications. SSPE, the complication that leads most often to death, is preceded by brain damage, dementia, epilepsy and loss of motor function - all of which can onset years after infection.

Cancer rates are much higher today partially because we live longer and fewer people die of diseases in childhood. We also have terrible diets full of HPFs and forever chemicals.

when I was a child we all got measles whooping cough ect. as did my unvacinated twins . I prefered to take a chance rather than risk the possibility of inflicting lifelong damage to protect the herd. Check out the payouts for vaccine damage. This Australian policy is outrageous

And that is your right. But you can’t (in Australia) decide you’re too special to protect the herd and still expect to participate fully in society.

Society requires everyone to work together - you don’t have to agree to that, but you can’t pick & choose only the bits you want to participate in.

An outbreak of measles, whooping cough or the other awful childhood diseases around anti-vaxxers will usually get them down the surgery with their children for jabs quick enough.

Anti-vaxxers are just bullshitting freeloaders.

If the risk of infectious disease starts coming to their door they change their minds all of a sudden.

There is a whooping cough epidemic in Australia too! Maybe just on the East coast at the moment. Little two month old died in QLD yesterday