To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

[Yaerry]

or am I just naive? Watched the new documentary about Jean Purdy and I’m surprised there was so much push back at the time. It’s made me wonder if one day surrogacy will be more accepted? I thought ivf was just a standard thing now that wasn’t controversial.

It could also be the that in bad quality foods, vaccines, smart phones…we don’t know and until we DO know speculating is pointless

Heh, bit of eugenics coming in here.
The same eugenics that caused a myriad of problems in WWII, was used to defend racism etc.

I couldn't get it when I was 37!

(At least not on the NHS)

I think people who have an issue with abortion from the earliest stages of pregnancy would also have an issue with IVF, for religious reasons or whatever.

I personally feel that every child has a right to know where they come from and so disagree with anonymous egg/sperm donations. Either for surrogacy or IVF. Other than that I think IVF is beautiful. There's so many factors involved with surrogacy I can't say if I outright agree or disagree with it, I think it could be beautiful or terrible depending on so many things.

Surrogacy is never beautiful.

I don’t agree with surrogacy unless it’s a family member doing it. I sort of agree with IVF but don’t agree that the nhs should pay for either.

I'm agnostic but I really do feel concern over the interference in the creation of life. It's hard for me to put into words but the reason I'm agnostic is because I can't help feeling that our consciousness is somehow linked to a higher being. Science interfering in this gives me pause. I wouldn't say I'm against fertility treatments necessarily but I wouldn't say I wholeheartedly think they're a brilliant idea.

On an individual level I understand why people do these things. I probably would too. On a wider societal level, I feel that we probably should not be spending time and money on creating people when the world is so over populated.

I am pro choice in terms of abortion... mainly because I think it's preferable than the alternative.

Having said that, I keep these thoughts to myself. Whatever I think is irrelevant really anyway.

Three things I don’t support
IVF, surrogacy and organ donation, except live donor eg kidney.

90% of society already accepts transpeople, we just understand they haven't changed sex. If you think transwomen are women, presumably they could be surrogates and we can leave women out of it?

I agree. I have no religious belief at all. I'm still strongly opposed to IVF and surrogacy.

I think this is the kind of thing that probably sounded really clever in your head, but is actually inane.

The misery already exists. Obviously plenty of people don't end up with a baby from fertility treatment, and so the industry hasn't alleviated their misery, but it also didn't cause it.

I'm personally not comfortable with it because of the practice of selecting the healthiest embryos, and then either discarding the rest or using them for research. To me this is in principle a form of eugenics. However I know there are lots of grey areas, and in some instances women don't even produce enough eggs to create multiple embryos, so it's not black and white.

Heh, bit of eugenics coming in here.
The same eugenics that caused a myriad of problems in WWII, was used to defend racism etc.

Not at all. It's got nothing to do with changing the genetics and everything to do with protecting children. We let murderers, peadophiles, child abusers have children whenever they like. I've stood in courtrooms where seriously neglected and/or abused children are being removed from their 'parents' and the mother is already pregnant again. If it's not an automatic right to have a child then we should be able to stop people who have abused, murdered or neglected children from having more/any.

It's either an automatic right or it's not.

This cracks me up.

I'm a lesbian with one non-bio daughter (born through IUI, sperm donation, my ex-partner's egg), and I'm currently doing IVF with my lovely gay mate. I can tell you absolutely positively that our ways of conceiving our children are not less 'human' than heterosexual intercourse. We don't suddenly mutate into little green aliens because we used a petri dish.

When you say 'have a right' it implies you think a child would be somehow hurt or damaged to know their biological parents never had sex. I would urge you to imagine how many happy IVF teenagers there are, secure in that delightful knowledge.

IVF and SEN? If you look up IVF you can actually screen out genetic issues so that actually means your less likely to have a disabled child with pdg.

Discarding embryo? What about the pill?

Science isn't evil, if we all went with God's will, God wouldn't have enlightened us with science. Is it God's will you die without the option of chemo? Or blood transfusions, psin relief?

But overall I have been blessed with my own children. Who I'm I too judge? I dislike people cherry picking science saying its unnatural. If it doesn't suit their needs. So is assisted dieing in that case. Not dieing of polo, tb, the flu, covid, pain relief. Its all thanks to science. God wanted you dead in horrific pain before you hit 40 pre science. Preferably in childbirth, because contraception.... is due to science and interference in the human way of doing life.

Perfectly said, thank you!

Surely it would make more sense for experienced parents to foster/adopt children in care, rather than telling infertile couples that they should be fostering/adopting rather than using IVF or a surrogate.

To me, it's a little bit like messing with nature, and whilst I'm not at all religious, it's not something I totally agree with.
I am infertile, and we chose not to pursue IVF when we found out we couldn't conceive naturally.

Was going to say the same

And more research/education and diagnosis.
I went to school in the 1980s/90s and looking back I'm pretty sure there were a few boys in our class that were ND, but then they just labelled as naughty or different.( I am the same age as the first ivf baby)

I don’t agree with NHS funding for IVF. There isn’t enough money to fund lifestyle choices.

Agree with this too. I've never understood telling people to adopt children who are more likely to need experienced parents. Especially to people who are mentally recovering from an unsuccessful fertility journey.

No it’s not true or else every IVF embryo that was put back would turn into a healthy pregnancy/live birth, which certainly isn’t the case. There’s no “know” about it, all you “know” is that the embryos have made it to day 5 and therefore have a chance at progressing to a live birth.

There's a crazy amount of misinformation on this thread - in fact, the only thing you can conclude from posts like the above is that people know very little about IVF.

Unless you do Pre-implantation genetic testing, which is not the norm in the UK, selecting the healthiest embryo is just the one most likely to become a baby. It's entirely to do with success rates and not eugenics.

But if your body made these embryos naturally then it would do the same. Many very early embryos don't implant. Many go on to not form a heartbeat. An embryo that isn't healthy wouldn't make a baby anyway. That's why they are tested.

A different matter entirely is some people, who have completed their family, end up with surplus embryos from ivf which have been tested and found to be viable. Viable doesn't mean that embryo will have certainly been a child, only about a 30% chance. Some people might donate these embryos or implant them at a different time of the month. Sometimes they are discarded as people don't want their genetic material stored indefinitely. Often this is a very emotional decision but these are NOT the couples definate future children they are just the possibility a future child.

I think if you are very strictly pro choice and oppose abortion before even a heartbeat has been detected (which is stricter than states like Florida with very strict abortion laws) then you might have a case for opposing ivf. However people should really get their facts straight.