To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

[Yaerry]

or am I just naive? Watched the new documentary about Jean Purdy and I’m surprised there was so much push back at the time. It’s made me wonder if one day surrogacy will be more accepted? I thought ivf was just a standard thing now that wasn’t controversial.

IVF is incredible. The only thing that scares me with Surrogacy is if the carrier changes their mind.

I think ivf is so intense it causes itself to fail. Their statistics are too old.
IUI is better

It's very easy to disagree with ivf/ egg donation/ surrogacy if you have a family.

Adoption can be near impossible for many people.

Having a baby is not an automatic right.

For whom? Just Those who can't have children?

Before we even start discussing the rights and wrongs of ivf or surrogacy we need to address forced sterilisation or compulsory contraception for the many thousands of shit parents already out there.

You cannot say 'it's not an automatic right' then let every unfit person have a child. If it's not an automatic right then we should be able to 'control' who has babies, or at the very least stop the shit ones from producing.

IVF is a brilliant advancement in medicine, allowing people to have children who otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Surrogacy, not so sure about.

Can you hear yourself “the carrier”? A woman carrying a baby is not an incubator. This kind of dehumanising language comes so easily regarding surrogacy and it sums up so much of what is wrong with it as a practice.

Women and their wombs are not a resource to be utilised and disregarded once their use has been seen out.

IUI has a very low success rate - which can make it an incredibly stressful/depressing process.

This!

Surrogacy is entirely different to IVF and ridiculous to compare the two at all

I think IVF should be available for three cycles on the NHS. We have falling birthrates in this country and the difference it would make to people is phenomenal.
We only think of ivf as expensive as we know how much it costs privately. It is cheaper for the NHS to provide than what you would pay privately. Lots of procedures on the NHS we would see as related to "lifestyle choices" are as expensive. For example getting your stomach pumped after binge drinking costs the NHS a few thousand pounds or more.

People who are quick to condem IVF always seem to have conceived easily themselves. I have a bit more understanding of people's religious objections (whilst not sharing them) but the reality is the body makes many embryos that fail to implant or develop.

I am quesy about sex selection ivf or things like eye colour which does happen in the states. I think donor conception can throw up issues for the child later but who doesn't have some issues about their family anyway? If it's people's only chance of parenthood then who am I, a woman who naturally conceived, to gatekeep having a child?

Surrogacy can have lots of ethical issues however I know people who have been aultruistic surrogates and it's worked out really well all round.

Nonsense.

Surrogacy is completely different and I would always disagree with something that puts a woman at risk

Very well said

I personally don’t agree with IVF on the NHS.

Carrier!

How dare you refer to a woman like that. It would be her body put at enormous risk.

Surrogacy should be banned

I think the issues around IVF are more about access to IVF and how it is more accessible to richer people.

Pardon? Intense? IUI better? Do you realise that IUI and IVF are different procedures for different issues? IUI would have never worked for me. My tubes are blocked. Egg and sperm never met inside my body. The moment they encountered each other in the IVF clinic they got busy turning into embryos. IUI is not better. It’s different.

I don't agree with surrogacy but I think IVF is an incredible medical development.

I know quite a few IVF children and they are all wonderful children, teenagers and young adults and all appear to be within the norm of good health and mental development compared to their peers of similar ages.
But I can't help wonder what will the future look like for them and the offsprings in terms of natural long term health outlook and fertility. In, say, 50 years and beyond.

As far as I'm aware IVF treatment is a gruelling process for women and incredibly hard in emotional terms, especially where unsuccessful. It would be so much better if women didn't have to go through all this, if there was an easier way for them, during treatment at least.

I would like to see more research and improvement in general natural fertility rates, because we really should not be in this situation where so many women and men are faced with declining fertility. This is what I really don't like. What does this mean for our children? I guess, at the current rate, more infertility and more (hopefully successful) IVF treatments. But at what cost to the women going through these treatments?

As already said. Best friend referred to herself as a carrier. Have closely been through this.

thank you and good night.

@Elphamouche defending your misogynistic language by using yet more misogynistic language. Classy.

“Karen” 🙄🙄🙄

yeah of course your best friend has done it.

Why are you so concerned about her changing her mind then?

@Elphamouche please edit your post to delete "Karen". It's a terrible slur and will just derail the thread

And you have people who want it to be only accessible to rich people as they don’t agree with it being offered on the NHS. Usually said by those who were able to conceive without issue.

The more I think about it the less I like surogacy, to deliberately take a child away from their mother is not something I am comfortable with. I'm not sure about IVF on the NHS, and definitely not when the access is different across the country but I'm very open to the science of it.

Not in this country , no.

There are definitely doctors who disagree with IVF. I know one consultant geneticist who said it is far too early to say it is a good thing, and that he would never advocate for it or do it himself.