To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

[Yaerry]

or am I just naive? Watched the new documentary about Jean Purdy and I’m surprised there was so much push back at the time. It’s made me wonder if one day surrogacy will be more accepted? I thought ivf was just a standard thing now that wasn’t controversial.

I only agree with IVF if the woman is using her own eggs, not using sex selection, and is carrying the child she will raise. I don't agree with egg 'donation' or surrogacy.

Commissioning a baby to be separated from her mother is entirely bad.

Sorry, linked to the wrong post.

I suppose I had 3 that were donated to medical research. I asked what that really meant, they would be used for the embryooligist to practice handling embryos.

But I was also told having 5 embryos making it to freeze was very unusual.
Two of the 5 were used only one took.

Being pregnant made me very anxious, so being pregnant by ivf would make me even more anxious as I might not get to try again if anything happened.

I am suppprtive of IVF as I know several couples close to us who were struggling with infertility. However it’s brutal and seems to take a real toll on relationships and the physical and mental health of the woman. I don’t know how well it is regulated here in Ireland and if mother and baby’s generally enjoy long life and good health - sadly 2 out of the 5 women I know who had it died a few years later from cancer. I’ve no idea if there was any linkage but it has concerned me and I’d be cautious if my daughter wanted to try this that she be made aware of any risk.

I do think there should be a strict upper age limit of 40-45 for women (so the normal upper age limit for natural conception) and men should not be ancient either ideally but harder to police. I'd like to see donor eggs restricted to medical reasons only not "leaving it too late" but how you word it is tricky.

I'm not anti ivf basically but it should not be used to get around the natural time window for conception

It's the same as how transgender people will be be accepted by 90% of society in 10-20 years. It's no different to me - it doesn't affect me, it doesn't hurt anybody, if someone wants to go and do it that's up to them.

Well Catholics are opposed to IVF as it's creating life, not letting God do it. Some other religious groups feel the same. Outside of religion, I've never heard of anyone opposed to it in general.

There haven't been healthy newborn babies offered for adoption for decades now. Most of the time the kids are kept with birth parents as long as possible until they suffer some kind of physical or emotional baggage

Or they have foetal alcohol syndrome drug addictions or severe disability

You seem to be spectacularly missing the point here - its not just about a quick cuddle after birth, but the severing of an already formed physical and emotional attachment that the baby will have already formed with the biological mother. To remove a baby from its mother is always going to create a deep and lifelong wound. The post you answered mentioned ripping the child from its mother - that is what it would be like for the baby and for most mothers who are not surrogates.

Source? Were they all healthy viable embryos that were willingly disposed of by the patients at the end of treatment?

IVF is a medical treatment for infertility. People can make a choice as to whether that is treatment they would use or not. They and abortions are two sides of the same coin, in my view. I support the right of access to both.

Surrogacy is a wildly unethical commodification of women’s bodies and babies. It should be illegal.

Its been very interesting seeing the discourse coming out of the USA about this especially the pro-life crowd. Its been interesting that DT courted them but has also gone to great lengths to stress he supports IVF and will actually make insurance pay for it.

I have no problem with IVF but if life begins at conception to the point that plan B should be banned then IVF should be banned. I do think its hypocritical to be pro-life/ forced birth and pro-ivf. Ive always been genuinely to understand how people reconcile the two.

They're very different issues. I'm against IVF being available on the NHS, but as a service generally I think each to their own when it comes to our own bodies.

But surrogacy is using womens' bodies as a commodity to benefit others, and I will never be in favour of it. You don't often get very wealthy women opting to be a surrogate.

I don’t like the idea of disposing of unwanted embryos seemingly inherent in the IVF process.

I'm not sure about now but it used to be the case that you were not allowed to pay for surrogacy in the UK

Why wouldn’t you get to try again? You’d either transfer any frozen embryos or do a fresh round of egg pick up and fertilisation. Surely that would only be limited by whether you could afford it? Publicly funded free IVF isn’t available where I live. You have to be able to pay. The UK does have private IVF doesn’t it, and not just NHS IVF?

I know precisely what its like not to be able to and I don't think IVF should be available on the NHS although I have no issue with it per se. I definitely have issues regarding surrogacy.

I’m against IVF on the NHS, but fine with it morally. It’s obviously on the table in the US at the moment though re. the destruction of embryos. Some religious people don’t agree with it on those grounds.

its a skinny fine line. Its permitted to cover expenses.

I have no issue with ivf, although donor conception always makes me a little unsure. It feels like deliberately creating a person to not know their genetic parent is sad. But I know some amazing women bringing up kids single handedly because the man wanted nothing to do with them, so it's not like knowing who the parent is from the beginning is any guarantee!

I don't understand why the nhs often only covers one cycle, given the low success rate. It feels like if they are going to offer, it should be more, or it is just chucking money away. Surely everyone eligible should get 3 goes.

I think ivf is amazing, but not something that should be available on the nhs. Having a baby is not an automatic right.

I disagree with surrogacy because I don't think people should be able to rent a womb

In my country I think they’ve found that IVF children tend to have slightly higher rates of heart issues. Technically my DD did. She had a heart murmur at birth. It naturally resolved once the hole in her heart closed as it naturally normally does at birth. She just took a bit longer. She had an echo done of her heart as a baby and it had resolved within months. As for cancer, we’re both fine. Nothing so far.

Same. And I think we would have been rejected for adoption. It is very easy for fertile people to criticise ivf though.

"I think that the Catholic Church has always officially been against IVF"

It's a pity they don't take the same hard line with paedophiles.