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Call a General Election? Really?

395 replies

Veryoldandtired · 25/11/2024 08:48

I mean, I very much doubt this will get anywhere in the parliament but nearly 2 mil people signed it in just over 24 hours 😬

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

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PandoraSox · 25/11/2024 12:58

CautiousLurker1 · 25/11/2024 12:55

WTF?

I have simply stated that I think the fact that 2m people have signed a petition within 24hrs asking for a general election to be called - out of a voting population of 48m - is pretty significant and any government of any political hue would be bloody stupid to ignore it without reference to reconsidering its narrative and the policies it is implementing. All parties follow trends and research into public feeling on issues throughout their governance. Been doing it for decades (hence YouGov polls), intentionally, to ensure they maintain the support and backing of those that voted for them. That’s reality. No need to try and dissuade me from it as I’m happy with the facts as I see them.

…but feel free to toddle off to your own reality where you can patronise and talk down to people who present alternative opinions.

Edited

The Brexit petition was over 6m signatures. Government (rightly) took not a blind bit of notice other than a piddly debate in Westminster Hall.

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 12:58

Yes, it won’t happen. At least their time in power is limited. I’m pretty confident they will get voted out at the next election now that everyone can see what life really is like under a Labour government.

They've been in since July. My life hasn't changed.

It did change under the previous government when I kept paying more and more tax and public services got worse.

cardibach · 25/11/2024 12:59

EmmaMaria · 25/11/2024 09:32

I haven't signed, won't sign - but if you have seen such proof them please post the links because (a)you can't see who is signing it, (b) the system is designed to accept only UK based people so I am sure parliament would want to know how you found the flaws in their system and (c) what you believe is irrelevant.

There won't be a general election any time soon, and not as a result of this petition. But I do think that Labout need to start listening. 2 million people isn't just a load of Tories with nothing better to do. The unions are already turning against policies. They are hurting working people and they are alienating their own base of support. There will be a price to pay.

The petition website is a bit shit and easy to scam.
That aside, almost 7 million people voted Tory in the election, so 2 million signing could very well be ‘a load of Tories with nothing better to do’.
I’m generally happy with what they’ve done, with a few reservations about the way some things have been implemented.

cakeorwine · 25/11/2024 13:01

The most likely reason for this is:

a) It's been promoted on social media
b) Musk has retweeted it
c) It's very easy to sign. No one checks that you are a registered UK voter
d) Some people are unhappy with Labour

Anonymouseposter · 25/11/2024 13:01

Artistbythewater · 25/11/2024 12:14

I think stripping pensioners of winter fuel allowance was unnecessarily cruel. They could have capped it a little higher and stopped the wealthy from receiving it within a threshold.

Taxing private schools is an own goal as the country will now have to pay for millions of children to use the state system, and find the extra buildings and space/teachers etc. It’s the politics of envy.

Crippling small businesses was not cool at all, many just won’t survive.

Targeting our farmers when we desperately need to build resilience in our food supply.

There is nothing they have done so far that I agree with… everything feels worse than before. Incredibly.

That's much more reasoned.
I do take your point about small businesses.
I think Labour have to be careful that, in thinking of the least advantaged they don't hammer people who have very modest means. e.g. at the margins people who have paid into a private pension are no better off than those in the same job who didn't bother and they have wasted their money. This might sort out as the introduction of the new state pension means that fewer and fewer people claim pension credit.

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 13:11

I’m generally happy with what they’ve done,

I have no doubt public sector are still happy.

There's loads of people who think they're doing badly though. Not just the petition but polls

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 13:13

Someone has posted the info and screenshots above.

I think you're falling for stuff on X

The site has that clear info on what data is available, in pp

Only the creator's name is shared

cardibach · 25/11/2024 13:14

Artistbythewater · 25/11/2024 11:28

People feel lied to and misled. Labour is unrecognisable.
It’s a message to the government that we are not best pleased, any of us.

They might ‘feel’ lied to. What lies can you actually identify though?

DuncinToffee · 25/11/2024 13:16

Couple of screenshots of those who signed the petition

Call a General Election? Really?
Call a General Election? Really?
Nic834 · 25/11/2024 13:17

Veryoldandtired · 25/11/2024 08:48

I mean, I very much doubt this will get anywhere in the parliament but nearly 2 mil people signed it in just over 24 hours 😬

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

I would like to know how many people signed this petition who also voted labour, that’s the number that really matters?

Has anyone on here voted labour and also signed?

Losingthetimber · 25/11/2024 13:23

Nic834 · 25/11/2024 13:17

I would like to know how many people signed this petition who also voted labour, that’s the number that really matters?

Has anyone on here voted labour and also signed?

The number that really matters is how many people are totally disillusioned with Labour and think the country is in a worst state. The polls have them lost their led and now down to behind Tory. It’s not a pretty picture.

the exact numbers don’t matter, there will be no ge, what matters is the general feeling of the electorate. Irrelevant of who they voted for, and that feeling is nose diving.

only 20 percent voted for Labour, and starmer on this morning has changed his tune, 4 months ago when he won he was giving it mandate of the British people, won by a huge majority, true, and now the nuance has changed, today it’s loads didn’t vote for us.

no mate, they didn’t. And you’re now proving them right.off you pop and see what else you can score for free.

JusteanBiscuits · 25/11/2024 13:24

Losingthetimber · 25/11/2024 13:23

The number that really matters is how many people are totally disillusioned with Labour and think the country is in a worst state. The polls have them lost their led and now down to behind Tory. It’s not a pretty picture.

the exact numbers don’t matter, there will be no ge, what matters is the general feeling of the electorate. Irrelevant of who they voted for, and that feeling is nose diving.

only 20 percent voted for Labour, and starmer on this morning has changed his tune, 4 months ago when he won he was giving it mandate of the British people, won by a huge majority, true, and now the nuance has changed, today it’s loads didn’t vote for us.

no mate, they didn’t. And you’re now proving them right.off you pop and see what else you can score for free.

Like a £50k wedding??

Keepingittogetherstepbystep · 25/11/2024 13:24

It's going to take significantly longer than 4 months to sort this country out. I've felt like I've been in a game of whalamole for 14 year. I don't expect it to get better in the short term but hopefully if they can get waiting times down for everything then things might start improving.

I'm not sure if you can say I voted Labour or against the Conservative but I don't want another general election. I don't support any particular party. I'm more for fairness and cohesion is society than every person for themselves.

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 13:33

DuncinToffee · 25/11/2024 09:08

Like British Antarctic Territory and S Georgia and S Sandwich Islands?

Signatures have come from there

I've just googled S Georgia and S Sandwich Islands and found this from last year;

Along with the South Sandwich Islands, South Georgia is a self-governing British territory, and its government is looking for two postal workers to take up residence on the island from September 25, 2023, to March 31, 2024 [tourist season].

home to 30 human residents...

In addition to managing the mail, you’ll be dealing with some 14,000 cruise-ship tourists and visiting scientists a year...

https://explorersweb.com/postal-job-south-george-island/

Veryoldandtired · 25/11/2024 13:39

herecomesautumn · 25/11/2024 09:41

Most people
I know think they're doing a grand old job 🤷🏻‍♀️

OP, was there a reason you linked to the petition?

Well, I wanted to see what everyone here thinks of it. I like how sometimes I can read a very well educated and challenging view, something I haven’t thought of myslelf. To be honest, I find the point at which our society is now very worrying. Like a pressure cooker with its lid on. Everyone is highly polarised and media is constantly fuelling this division. There’s never anything good about what’s happening, always pointing fingers and throwing accusations.
the reason I linked the petition is because sometimes seeing it is better than describing.

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Clavinova · 25/11/2024 13:39

JusteanBiscuits · 25/11/2024 13:24

Like a £50k wedding??

Who had a £50k wedding? Do you have a link?

Nic834 · 25/11/2024 13:43

Losingthetimber · 25/11/2024 13:23

The number that really matters is how many people are totally disillusioned with Labour and think the country is in a worst state. The polls have them lost their led and now down to behind Tory. It’s not a pretty picture.

the exact numbers don’t matter, there will be no ge, what matters is the general feeling of the electorate. Irrelevant of who they voted for, and that feeling is nose diving.

only 20 percent voted for Labour, and starmer on this morning has changed his tune, 4 months ago when he won he was giving it mandate of the British people, won by a huge majority, true, and now the nuance has changed, today it’s loads didn’t vote for us.

no mate, they didn’t. And you’re now proving them right.off you pop and see what else you can score for free.

I guess that’s true, but I’m thinking they might start taking a bit more notice of it if if they realised how many supporters they have now lost rather than thinking the only people that signed voted against them anyway.

I personally am really concerned about inflation as a result of the employers NI increase.

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 13:46

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 13:13

Someone has posted the info and screenshots above.

I think you're falling for stuff on X

The site has that clear info on what data is available, in pp

Only the creator's name is shared

I'm not falling for anything.

I don't even follow X.

And I add laughing emojis to show I'm not taking my comments seriously.

But you can continue to fight against labour all you want on here as you've always done.

I'm not a pure Labour voter so doesn't bother me either way 🤷‍♀️

JusteanBiscuits · 25/11/2024 13:46

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 13:39

Who had a £50k wedding? Do you have a link?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62833837

£23,500 was declared. Then there was £12,500 for food donated by Daylesford Farm shop for the wedding. The use of the house and grounds wasn't included in any costing, but would have cost at least £10k

Boris Johnson

JCB boss pays for Boris Johnson's wedding toilets and food

The former prime minister received a £23,853 donation towards his wedding celebration costs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62833837

EasternStandard · 25/11/2024 13:46

@Nic834 polls will show general sentiment

Labour have lost their lead now and answering 'How is the UK faring under Labour?'

70% said worse and only 8% better

These threads are more pro Labour than that and don't really reflect the polling

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 13:47

DuncinToffee · 25/11/2024 13:16

Couple of screenshots of those who signed the petition

Postcode SW1A 2AA is Number 10 Downing Street and SW1A 1AA is Buckingham Palace - they might be rumbled!

Haven't checked the others.

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 13:48

Clav top marks for excelling yourself above your usual C and P whataboutery 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂

Clavinova · 25/11/2024 13:49

JusteanBiscuits · 25/11/2024 13:46

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62833837

£23,500 was declared. Then there was £12,500 for food donated by Daylesford Farm shop for the wedding. The use of the house and grounds wasn't included in any costing, but would have cost at least £10k

Your link says;

The donation covered the cost of hiring a marquee, Portaloos, waiting staff, flowers, a South African BBQ and an ice cream van.

Efacsen · 25/11/2024 13:50

Losingthetimber · 25/11/2024 13:23

The number that really matters is how many people are totally disillusioned with Labour and think the country is in a worst state. The polls have them lost their led and now down to behind Tory. It’s not a pretty picture.

the exact numbers don’t matter, there will be no ge, what matters is the general feeling of the electorate. Irrelevant of who they voted for, and that feeling is nose diving.

only 20 percent voted for Labour, and starmer on this morning has changed his tune, 4 months ago when he won he was giving it mandate of the British people, won by a huge majority, true, and now the nuance has changed, today it’s loads didn’t vote for us.

no mate, they didn’t. And you’re now proving them right.off you pop and see what else you can score for free.

The number that really matters is how many people are totally disillusioned with Labour and think the country is in a worst state. The polls have them lost their led and now down to behind Tory. It’s not a pretty picture.

Didn't think was true - just checked again and it isn't correct

Whilst Labour have indeed lost their big lead - they are still ahead and neither the Tories nor Reform UK have benefited greatly from that

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