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Family is against me for not feeding baby meat

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Foxtails · 25/11/2024 08:08

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but could do with some advice please.

8 month old baby, stopped breastfeeding at 6 months. So far I have not fed anything with meat in it and do not plan to. I am vegetarian and have been for 8 years. DH is not veggie but does eat veggie meals in the house with me (his choice). For now, while my son has no way to make his own decisions, I won’t be feeding him meat. Once he is old enough to decide for himself, he can choose. We will always have vegetarian meals in the house but if he wants to eat it outside of the house that’s up to him and there will be no judgement from me.

It seems like absolutely none of my family members can accept this. My mum, dad, grandparents and also DHs parents have expressed to me how they think this is wrong. I have told them that as long as he is fed and is healthy then there really is no problem, and it’s up to me how I do this. It’s got to the point where it’s being brought up almost every time I see anyone because they are so so against it. I feel attacked. They are telling me not to force my views upon my child, but isn’t that what all parents do?! People parent their children how they think is best and in line with what they agree with. Everyone does this.

I am feeling upset and overwhelmed and feeling like i can’t go and see anyone without them starting this argument with me and I worry that they will feed him meat behind my back. Please could I have some advice on what to do and how to handle this? Has anyone been in this position?

OP posts:
ohnonotthisargumentagain · 25/11/2024 10:31

My children at school encountered a number of children who were convinced that you would die if you didn't eat meat and said so to mine. They were surprised and confused to see mine running around perfectly healthy. I always wondered what the conversations at home were like after that.

teatoast8 · 25/11/2024 10:31

Sausage*

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/11/2024 10:31

And my MIL was veggie from birth, including no egg, until her late eighties. She never saw a doctor even once!!

teatoast8 · 25/11/2024 10:32

Rosscameasdoody · 25/11/2024 10:29

Agree with this. I can’t tell you how sad it makes me when I see children not long out of babyhood being pushed along while they’re munching on a sausage roll.

But anyway even a processed one now and again ain't gonna do any harm.

BigManLittleDignity · 25/11/2024 10:32

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:29

No, these are types of veggies, not all veggies. OP isn't just excluding some meats, she's excluding all meats.

What about a British family including other meats from other cultures? Goat? Dog? Pigeon? Surely we should be introducing children to them.

@Foxtails I don’t think you need to limit contact but be clear and repetitive “Ben is vegetarian while he is so little. James and I have decided together.” Be like a broken record. We had this in my family, SIL is a child development psychologist (not her official job title) and she was firm on no screens under 2. I respected this but the number of family members who were urging her to “aww let little DN watch Peppa Pig on my phone” while DN was happily sitting in a high chair was ridiculous. SIL didn’t get angry or upset, just repeated her choice and family were on board. She didn’t waver.

CustardCreams2 · 25/11/2024 10:33

Lentilweaver · 25/11/2024 10:30

And yet I am on MN, coming from a long line of veggie doctors and engineers with large brains. My dad was a doctor who approved a veggie diet for my DC.

What garbage.

I’m a doctor aswell.
Does your hospital have any parenteral nutrition feed that is vegan? Last I discussed with our dieticians, it can’t be done.

ChocolateTelephone · 25/11/2024 10:33

Saveusernsme · 25/11/2024 10:12

Purposely denying a child of a normal everyday food source will cause issues longer term. That’s why your family are concerned.

I will make the presumption that you were given meat as a child and made an active decision to become a vegetarian? Why are you denying your child the same? Let him have meat and if he decides to change his lifestyle when he’s older, that’s his choice.

I wouldn’t expect you to handle it but your partner should as though they eat meat so they can prepare and cook it at home. Being so controlling over others will lead to issues.

There will be many other conflicts you will come across as a parent, you need to show understanding for others perspectives and realise it’s not always your way. If your child and partner decide they would like meat in their home then they should be entitled to have it.

Have you discussed things like schooling, sweets (kids love those!) - so many many little things that could cause you big conflict.

How will you cope when your child is at a friends house and decides to try meat? Will he be reprimanded? What if, at 8, he decides he loves a ham sandwich at home? Will you stop him?

You could have read OP’s responses on this thread and actually responded to those instead of inventing an imaginary position in your head and having an argument with someone who doesn’t exist.

BecauseRonald · 25/11/2024 10:33

As someone who has struggled with iron levels all my life, especially the years I was fully vegetarian, I think yabu. Bear in mind I grew up in q country where regular vegetarian meals are mainstream.

Calcium and dairy interfere with iron absorption as do tea, coffee and many vegetables. Your iron-enriched cereal? You won't absorb it if you have it with milk.

Iron deficiency is by far the most common nutrient deficiency in the world - a third of women who menstruate are affected, and in countries with a vegetarian culture it's about half. Hundreds of millions of people in the world. Anemia is no joke. The effects on your cognitive, mental and physical health and your quality of life can be huge.

Many doctors are in denial about the fact that red meat is by far the best source of iron for humans. The current fashion is to favour vegan options no matter how processed.

You can raise your child as you want but please inform yourself. Iron content on a nutritional label does not equal iron absorbed. And that's just one nutrient.

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 10:34

BigManLittleDignity · 25/11/2024 10:32

What about a British family including other meats from other cultures? Goat? Dog? Pigeon? Surely we should be introducing children to them.

@Foxtails I don’t think you need to limit contact but be clear and repetitive “Ben is vegetarian while he is so little. James and I have decided together.” Be like a broken record. We had this in my family, SIL is a child development psychologist (not her official job title) and she was firm on no screens under 2. I respected this but the number of family members who were urging her to “aww let little DN watch Peppa Pig on my phone” while DN was happily sitting in a high chair was ridiculous. SIL didn’t get angry or upset, just repeated her choice and family were on board. She didn’t waver.

James needs to also say why he agrees with it and means it. James' mum will know if her little darling is telling porkies.

TheSilkWorm · 25/11/2024 10:34

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:19

You can't be glad you've not done something which is normal and legal , if you've never tried it.

I am glad I've never been fed meat. So yes, you can be glad you've never done something even if it is 'normal and legal'.

BeJollyNewt · 25/11/2024 10:34

BobbyBiscuits · 25/11/2024 10:31

@CustardCreams2 I eat meat every day. But I choose to. I wouldn't expect my vegetarian mum to feed me meat as a baby. It's her baby, her choice. There are myriad reasons why people don't eat meat. Hundreds of millions of people don't. Their brains are just as big as meat eaters?

hundreds of millions of people don't not because of it is their choice but affordability too . 😞

Wigglywoowho · 25/11/2024 10:35

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 10:21

That’s exactly it. Even though I’ve told them and shown them that it will be a healthy diet, it doesn’t matter to them. Their problem for some reason is just that I’m “forcing my beliefs” on them and they think that’s cruel to take something away from him because of my own views

That's parenting, isn't it? All our parenting is projecting our beliefs. If your child is raised in a religion. What your child eats. How your child is educated. Even the toys and books we buy. As long as both parents are on board and adequate research has been done they need to back the fuck up.

My lot thought I was ridiculous because I asked that no one kissed the baby. As toddlers, I insisted that they got consent, from the children, to hug or kiss the them and when we say goodbye I ask the kids if they would like to give nanny a hug kiss or high five goodbye. They still think it's ridiculous but I want my girls to decide and to be able to say no.

BigManLittleDignity · 25/11/2024 10:35

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 10:34

James needs to also say why he agrees with it and means it. James' mum will know if her little darling is telling porkies.

Well OP’s mum knows her daughter is vegetarian and she’s still pushing for the baby to eat meat!

CustardCreams2 · 25/11/2024 10:35

Sure, the WHO says a vegetarian diet can be healthy and adequate for a child. But would I do it, no.

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 10:35

CustardCreams2 · 25/11/2024 10:33

I’m a doctor aswell.
Does your hospital have any parenteral nutrition feed that is vegan? Last I discussed with our dieticians, it can’t be done.

Nope. It can't be.

QuantumPanic · 25/11/2024 10:35

Like the majority of people on this thread, they're either uninformed or insecure about their own choices, which is why they're making such a big about it. I wouldn't get drawn into a debate about it - you're the parent and it's your decision, end of. No need for any discussion.

I was raised eating meat and when I got older I did feel as though a choice had been taken away from me and I was quite upset with my parents. As I got older, I realised this was unfair - they were making what they thought were the best choices for their children. I've been vegan for over 15 years and my children will be raised vegetarian/vegan - I won't have meat in the house. If my kids want to eat meat one day, they can do it when they're out of the house and when they can pay for it themselves. Anyone who doesn't like it is going to have to lump it. 🤷😘

Gogogo12345 · 25/11/2024 10:36

CustardCreams2 · 25/11/2024 10:16

Yabvu. The default choice whilst your son can’t decide for himself, is to feed him what humans have been eating for millions of years, an omnivorous diet including meat. When he has gained capacity, he can decide to become vegetarian/vegan should he choose.
You can have normal blood parameters including iron and still have symptoms of deficiency, I have seen it in patients. Early years and childhood development is critical. It’s not the time to impose this on him.

So what about all Hindu/Sikh families? Do they have to feed their babies meat also?

Lentilweaver · 25/11/2024 10:36

CustardCreams2 · 25/11/2024 10:33

I’m a doctor aswell.
Does your hospital have any parenteral nutrition feed that is vegan? Last I discussed with our dieticians, it can’t be done.

I have never explored vegan food so cant comment on that at all. Always had lots of milk, yoghurt and eggs.

CoffeeAndPeanuts · 25/11/2024 10:36

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:26

A vegetarian diet isn't weird.
Forcing your child to do something because of your beliefs is not great.

She's not forcing her baby to do anything!

like every other parent she's just feeding him, but not meat.

As you say a vegetarian diet isn't weird.

How can you say she's forcing her baby to do something??

this wouldn't even be a conversation if is was based on religion.

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 10:37

BigManLittleDignity · 25/11/2024 10:35

Well OP’s mum knows her daughter is vegetarian and she’s still pushing for the baby to eat meat!

I am saying this because i feel like if "James" felt as strongly as the OP, then his family particularly would not be as insistent. I think any protests of agreement he does make are seen through by his parents and siblings who know him very well.

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 10:37

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 25/11/2024 10:29

That is awful of your child's Nanna. I would be really upset about that. Like you, I became a veggie for ethical reasons, then as I researched further, I became fully plant based for both ethical and health reasons. I would feel like they are just damaging my baby's health by sneaking them chicken or whatever . It's not just disrespectful, it's wrong (albeit they think they are doing it for the right reasons).

I've already suggested the Forks over Knives and Game Changers films (see earlier post0 for them to watch in the hope it will help them understand where you are coming from, but I just remembered there's a book by Dr Brooke Goldner's son, Solomon Tadlock, about Vegan (I know you are veggie but more in common than not) Comebacks for school kids. Good for grown ups too! You can buy it on Amazon. Dr Goldner reversed her lupus on a raw plant based diet, and her children were fully raw vegan for the first two years of their lives. 50 Comebacks For Vegan Kids : Tadlock, Solomon: Amazon.co.uk: Books

I think ultimately you have to tell them that you have done your research, you are putting your children first, and whilst you would like their appreciate their co-operation and support, a decision has been made and you expect it to be respected. xxx

Edited

Thank you for these links. I have already seen the films but not read the book so will check it out ☺️

OP posts:
ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 10:37

Gogogo12345 · 25/11/2024 10:36

So what about all Hindu/Sikh families? Do they have to feed their babies meat also?

Edited

Most Hindus eat some meat. Only beef is totally forbidden.

Gogogo12345 · 25/11/2024 10:39

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 10:37

Most Hindus eat some meat. Only beef is totally forbidden.

And most Sikhs don't. Have you not heard of the meat free zone around the Golden Temple in Amritsar. No meat allowed to be even sold in a certain radius

SharpOpalNewt · 25/11/2024 10:41

The only downside is I'd feel like a bit of a pain in the arse when they they are primary school age and went for tea at a friend's house.

I wouldn't find it a problem personally but I know some parents would.

DD1 is veggie but she decided herself at 16/17.

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 10:41

Gogogo12345 · 25/11/2024 10:39

And most Sikhs don't. Have you not heard of the meat free zone around the Golden Temple in Amritsar. No meat allowed to be even sold in a certain radius

It's the same for Sikhs actually.. most eat meat just not beef. Not sure where you're getting this info from but it's wrong. There are holidays where they don't eat meat but it isn't an every day thing at all. Maybe fact check before posting.