To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

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I understand that there are different sects within Islam and that while some pose no concerns, others do. I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic. It's not unreasonable to fear a religion that imposes such harsh lives on women.

I live in Dewsbury 54% of people here are Muslim 30% of people are Muslim in Bradford the issue you do find is that because they are part of that community some do not speak any English but then again you could say the same for some English people that live in Spain.
I have now got a lovely carer that looks after me she’s from Pakistan. She’s working hard and she only wears the hijab and she said her husband didn’t even make her do that. She wanted to be closer to her religion but she doesn’t agree with a full face covering now you do find that they do wear sometimes that in Dewsbury and I would say they are the most extreme element of the religion.

@ParkBench5 Absolutely disagree.

Sharia is not compatible with British Law.

Minorities should not be allowed to choose which laws of the land they have chosen to reside in to obey.

They obey them all.

Religion needs to be private practice only with no influence on education, health or politics.

Otherwise is it okay if people whose cultural heritage includes the practice of female genital mutilation continue to practice this as it is an important part of their culture?

I think that what happened to Charlie HEBDO was absolutely disgusting. I understand people do need to be respectful but satire is satire and there is something about the religion of Islam that a lot of people cannot take satire because they would not be able to do a life of Brian film which yes I get annoyed about too

Just to me these 2 seem most likely to be the truth. Given the fact that Jesus did exist but also Muhammad (pbuh) also existed and is buried in a tomb in Saudi Arabia. Like did he just make it up? I don't know. That's why I'm still not sure these days.

Also tolerance and respect seriously needs to be demonstrated from Muslim believers to others who do not believe.

I'm not seeing that

I don’t think you guys understand how it works in this country. They have to follow the land of this country with the law and that is why female gentle mutilation should And is outlawed but it’s very hard in practice to prosecute
However, when it comes to sharia law, they only do that in terms of marriage and any contracts they have with their own people. Do you know that it happens in Judaism too?

on YouTube. There’s a good person explains how the branch of Islam came Judaism and Christianity because they are all Abraham religions. It explains the history and the tree from how they all branched off.

How many Muslims do you know because the people that look after me are very nice

@Littlemissgobby but this makes them view themselves as separate and subject to different rules.

It prevents integration.

It does not emphasise the need to respect other people's views.

It puts them in a position of 'we are right' and those unbelievers are wrong and we shouldn't listen to them.

It's incredibly arrogant.

@Littlemissgobby 'THe people who look after me are nice' - so what?

Am I saying that all the members of this religious group are horrible - of course not.

I am emphasising that every single one of them must be subject to British law and must understand this - not say that they are subject to a higher law and can therefore do what they like.

There has to be a minimum expectation from people chosing to live in the UK who practice their religions that they follow the law of the land and have basic level of integration - including speaking English.

I think the fact we do not expect this is causing huge problems.

Auvergne63 · Today 11:53
What happened when the last supper was denigrated at the Paris Olympics?
The Catholic Church and the religious right thought it denigrated the Last Supper. It doesn't mean it did.
They probably took offence because of who performed it: a drag queen, a transgender model and a naked singer made up as the Greek god of wine Dionysus, not because it was re enacted. QB(assumption)
After all, Jesus' message was about inclusion, going against social conventions of his time. He was seen as radical for his views. I think he would have approved.QB(assumption)
Why do we accept that one element of society is dangerous and violent rather than stop it?
Every single Muslim is dangerous and violent? QB(your words/assumption, not mine) Most knife crimes are committed by youths, who happen to be black. Therefore, according to your logic, every person of colour must be dangerous and violent.QB(your words/assumption, not mine) Can you see how ridiculous your argument is? QB(I can see how flimsy yours is) Don't tar everyone with the same brush, please.QB(assumption, and a lovely phrase with some racist associations - which you claim to be aware of.)

AV63 You should never assume anything as it makes you look ill informed, at best.
QB Your points were full of assumptions

All religions do that Judaism have their own special courts but they still follow the land in the UK. It’s literally just for divorce, et cetera..
I know Christians who believe that everything they worship is correct and everybody else’s worship in Satan, etc
That’s not special to Islam

@Littlemissgobby As to 'how many muslims do I know', the place I live in has parts where over 50% muslim, rising all the time.

I see primary school children in hijab now and ever growing numbers of women in full burkah.

There are areas I will not go.

I don't see any of this as a good thing.

Yes, the programme said it was the 10th anniversary of 9/11, I would like to see her do a remake today, I think tensions are even higher and I thought she exploreded a range of viewpoints.

Sounds like where I live I live dewsbury I don’t see no go areas even though daily mail said that .

As my carer says nicab or burqa are not mandated and don’t need to do that at all

Can you post a link please?

I said there are areas where I don't go - my choice, my perception.

No idea about Daily Mail - not my thing, but thanks for the snide inference.

I'm fully aware the Stacey Dooley documentary is old, but the census data shows the change in demographics with relation to religion - I don't think this issue has gone away.

Never? Can Salman Rushdie get rid of his security then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatwas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_papal_bulls

Obviously wiki isn't a flawless source.

Religion needs to be private practice only with no influence on education, health or politics.

Well quite. Let me know when it happens.

judaism is the oldest, islam and christianity are offshoots of it.

The phrase, as I understand it, is "people of the book". Which instructs Muslims to respect Christians and Jews and allow then to pay a tax rather than attend prayers.

History fans will of course remember the absolute glory that was Islamic Andalusia before it was bought into the modern age by Christian charity. (That is extremely heavy sarcasm, by the way.)

It is worth noting that whilst a great majority of people following a religion are generally pleased to find someone who asks questions to learn, the closer you get to the fundamentalists, the less this is true. Precisely because you start to realise they are full of utter shite about the religion they claim to espouse.

Yes so this man has charted the start of Christianity which is the one thing I’m showing you here but it shows how it begins from all the different aspects ancient Israelites etc but he also on his YouTube if you look cause there’s so many different charts he also did it with the different branches of Judaism and the different branches of Islam and basically each time there is a connection at the top between all three branches

They both can't be right. So at least one is definitely false. Given how much of the mythology they share that would mean one is definitely false and the other at best, mostly false.

Abrahamic religions didn't spring out of nothing, they grew out of the polytheistic beliefs that preceded them.

Wait they grew out of polytheism?