To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

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I understand that there are different sects within Islam and that while some pose no concerns, others do. I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic. It's not unreasonable to fear a religion that imposes such harsh lives on women.

I’m on the fence about the Charlie Hebdoe thing. I think the artists need to take some responsibility/ they poked a very violent and dangerous bear using deeply racist cartoons. I’m not justifying those murders but the rhetoric that it was just about free speech pissed me off. It wasn’t.

What happened when the last supper was denigrated at the Paris Olympics?

Why do we accept that one element of society is dangerous and violent rather than stop it?

Do we just say 'knife crime is rife in London', or do we try and find ways to stop it.

No I agree with you and identity politics has muddied the waters tremendously with regard to speaking out about it. There’s an so-called progressive section of society that has a lot to answer for because they silence debate with scary words like “Islamophobia”. Couple with cancel culture, it’s made discussion outside the likes of anonymous forums such as MN almost impossible.

And there’s double standards everywhere. There seems for example to be an expectation for all Jews to be answerable to Israel but then British Muslims for example aren’t expected to be answerable to the legalised child raping in Iraq.

I do not recognise the Last Supper in the scenes from the Paris Olympics ceremony at all. They have also said that it was not inspired on the painting or the Supper itself. Why people keep saying that they mocked Christianity is beyond me.

What happened when the last supper was denigrated at the Paris Olympics?
The Catholic Church and the religious right thought it denigrated the Last Supper. It doesn't mean it did.
They probably took offence because of who performed it: a drag queen, a transgender model and a naked singer made up as the Greek god of wine Dionysus, not because it was re enacted.
After all, Jesus' message was about inclusion, going against social conventions of his time. He was seen as radical for his views. I think he would have approved.
Why do we accept that one element of society is dangerous and violent rather than stop it?
Every single Muslim is dangerous and violent? Most knife crimes are committed by youths, who happen to be black. Therefore, according to your logic, every person of colour must be dangerous and violent. Can you see how ridiculous your argument is? Don't tar everyone with the same brush, please.

I agree. It’s not an Islamic issue. It’s the misuse of religion to oppress, dominate, control and harm others and all religions have a history of this, even Buddhism. Greed and money can do the same and are part of it. Christianity is currently being used in the USA to reduce women’s reproductive rights.
It is the misuse of religion that is the issue. Most, if not all, religions have kindness and tolerance at their core. My FIL is a preacher as a born again Christian and is the least tolerant and most judgmental unempathic person I know.

I agree. There’s so much hypocrisy, justification for misogyny and intolerance in many religions. I refused to attend a Jewish panel of brainwashed, misogynistic men, to sanction my divorce in Jewish law. No way. Sharia, Beth Din have no place in this century imo

Many "orthodox" Christians and Jews are quite liberal! Orthodoxy isn't the same thing as narrow-minded or fundamentalist. I have quite a few Orthodox Christian friends, including a couple of Coptics, and a bigger number of Jewish friends who would consdier themselves "orthodox". They are all fairly liberal or left -wing. And none of my Muslim friends want Sharia law either. Having faith doesn't mean giving up thinking. Yes, faith can be corrupted, but so can many other things.

I thought Stacey Dooley's programme was very good, I recognise her experience.

Tarbrush? You have no idea of the origins of that statement.

Also frustrating that the extremists in Luton on Stacey's video are quite happy to enjoy healthcare and other benefits of being in the UK. They don't seem to hate that aspect of being here

More concerning that they're often born here but so alienated.
The young girls she niqabed with just reminded me of any other youngster, they seemed to get a kick from getting a reaction.

As far as the internet tells me that was issued in March this year ti announce 2025 as a Jubilee year? Hope Does Not Disappoint is its title, apparently.

A fatwah is a death sentence.

I’m happy to be corrected.

And I certainly do not agree with the catholic church on many issues I consider misogynistic.

Actually, I do. My married name is the surname of the plantation' owner where my husbands' ancestors were slaves. Do I also need to mention the vile crimes their descendants were subjected to during the segregation area in the USA?
You should never assume anything as it makes you look ill informed, at best.
How interesting that you ignored the points I was making to concentrate on one idiom.

Your points were full of assumptions, how embarrassing.

One thing I noticed was they said they were exercising free speech. I wonder would they support my free speech to say 'Islam go to hell' or 'Muhammad go to hell' in the street on a placard? I would bet not, in fact I would suspect they would want death to me if I did.

Yes it's all a bit one way somehow

This spiritual journey didn't go that far if you're just bouncing between two of the sects that grew out of Judaism. It's more of a brisk stroll than a journey.

I rebutted the points you made and your assumption about me.
Your response to this is to do the same. That's called debating.
You have every right to express your opinion on my post, but make sure it is informed and backed up by real counter arguments.

As a Muslim, I would say practicing (I pray, fast etc), I do not see the ‘want’ from Muslims to impose Sharia Law in the UK. I live in a largely diverse city, have attended gatherings at the mosque and never heard anyone say anything about imposing Sharia Law in the UK so reading these posts are really surprising that some of you think this is a major concern. I’ve seen posts of people saying why are Muslims not protesting? Because frankly, there’s nothing to protest! A small minority of people probably do want to have a similar regime to that of Iran, Afghanistan etc, though it’s important to note that they have taken an extreme view of Sharia Law, some aspect which aren’t in line with Islam ie not education women, this was a major point the Prophet peace be upon him noted in his time that women should be educated. Islam actually bought about many rights for women which were non existent at the time. There’s a lot being said about women not being treated equally in Islam, true. Islam doesn’t promote equality, it’s promotes Justice for women. Men and women have different abilities, for example, women can bear children etc. therefore Islam gives women their just right over their male counterparts, a right to his income (her income is her own), a right to request dowry upon marriage with which she can do whatever she wants, a right to request divorce. I will leave an image below which illustrates my point.

But back to the main topic, you can be concerned but as Muslims we are required to also abide by the law of the land and anyone forcing Islam on anyone is wrong according to our faith. I can’t speak for everyone but I can speak for the normal Muslim person who goes about their day, practicing their faith and minding my own business about what others are doing or not doing.

So much misogyny it’s scary.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps/choropleth/identity/religion/religion-tb/muslim/

This filter on the 2021 UK census map shows the areas with the highest Muslim populations - on a town by town basis highest is 39.9%

If you zoom in closer it shows areas within towns which have a much higher percentage - in Luton there are areas which are up to 97% Muslim

I think what is missing from the anti-Islam side of this discussion is a bit of tolerance and respect. Islam is a religion followed by millions in the U.K., and for many of them Shariah law is a supportive and relevant part of that.

No one is calling for shariah to be imposed on the whole country, but I think we should all have understanding for the fact that it may be appropriate for it to be used in areas with high Muslim populations where there is support for doing so.

I’m not religious, but Shariah provides a valuable framework for life for many men and women around the world and I think it is disrespectful to dismiss it out of hand on the basis of perceived women’s rights concerns. It involves a different role for women, and some adaptation on both sides may be necessary.

Do u realise that prog is old?
The incident in the video clip relates to when Dooley confronted Muslim extremists in Luton who were protesting against the arrest of local woman and wife of the failed suicide bomber in Stockholm, Mona Thorney in 2011. In 2016, hate preacher Anjem Choudary (the cleric seen in the video) was sentenced to five-and-a-half years in prison for urging support to the Islamic State

It was from 2012 I remember watching it and I was really disturbed myself, but this was a time when Anjem Choudhury was about and I am not saying that there is an extreme Muslims that have similar viewpoints now because some do but the vast majority do not so when people talk about that program they put the clips round as if it’s going on now he was stirring up a lot of hatred back then.

A fatwah isn’t a “death sentence”. 😂
Careful your Islamaphobia is showing.

What was it that justified murder then?