To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

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I understand that there are different sects within Islam and that while some pose no concerns, others do. I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic. It's not unreasonable to fear a religion that imposes such harsh lives on women.

A guardian survey showed a shocking proportion of British Muslims want sharia law - its not a niche or extreme position. There is a teacher from Batley still in hiding with his family in fear of his life for showing a picture. People travelled from all over the country to mass outside the school in an attempt to intimidate and force their will.

it’s scary.

I come from the Middle East. I don’t want an Islamic theocracy here.

I come from the Middle East. I don’t want an Islamic theocracy here.

Same. My family are from the ME. People are very naive here, and it's always the ones who have very little insight into the reality and think it's all nice and fine. The left and Islam have a long history - the left helps the fundamentalists gain power and are then subdued or killed.

Have they not got anything better to do

Very hard to understand this mentality

There are plenty of countries that have Sharia law, if I were so inclined, I'd move there.

Exactly. Just not in the UK, people want to escape it

@LoremIpsumCici The 2021 Uk census data shows a clear and massive rise in those identifying as muslim and an equally clear and large fall in those identifying as christian in the Uk over the last 10 years.

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The ONS say they don't hold data about religion.

My ex-husband is Jewish, what's your point?

You didn't seem sure about Judaism and joining the religion. I was surprised given that your husband was Jewish.

I wish that people would stop equating Islam with Christianity. Whenever Muslim extremism is mentioned a poster immediately mentions hard-line Christian beliefs and implies that these are identical to Islamic beliefs.
Christian women are legally treated identically to men, hardly ever have to dress in a particular way and aren't expected to be subservient to men. They are not seen as male property. Women in medieval Europe had more rights than women in some Muslim countries today.
I find the idea of Sharia law in Britain- or anywhere for that matter - very worrying.

Being married to one Jewish man doesn't make me an expert on Judaism!!

I didn't say you were an expert. I assumed you would have rudimentary knowledge, but evidently not.

That's interesting. Thank you for posting.

I do have rudimentary knowledge, but I'm no expert, that's why I said "I understand that" rather than claim perfect knowledge.

BTW - although raised going to synagogue and attending a Jewish school etc, my ex-husband was ethnically Jewish, but not at all religious. As an example, his mum got him to take Rosh Hashanah off work as a religious holiday one year, but I suggested he didn't do it again after he spent the day watching TV and eating bacon sarnies.

I think for very religious people it is the 'better' that they want to do.

I've never understood why the left leans towards Islam. I sort of understood why they used to lean Christian; as an atheist lefty I have little problem with Jesus' teachings about equality and helping others.

I think unless you live in an area, such as some in London whereby 70%+ of the population is a Muslim and it’s almost unliveable as a white, non Muslim then it’s hard to understand this. Its all well and good the leftie luvvies sitting in a townhouse in Islington or similar saying we should all just love each other, whilst they don’t have to face any of the day to day issues of being a working class person forced out of their own area / schools / community. It’s sad, it really is.

I guess the issue is with most other huge waves of immigration it has been largely from Christian countries so the ‘settling in’ has been a lot easier.
the issue we are facing now is that we are several generations down the line with Muslim practicing immigrants (I’m not saying all before anyone jumps on me) who’s families live completely seperately to any form of British values, they don’t speak the language, they hate our culture etc and I just cannot see how we can integrate now. The schools local to my DN are all over 90% English as a foreign language pupils. These are children that were born here yet don’t speak the language, this wouldn’t have happened with other faith backgrounds it just wouldn’t.

Where in London is 70% Muslim? I'm in Tower Hamlets and it's about 40%.

Religion is the absolute root of all evil no matter which god or book it’s based on. When scripture or verse is interpreted in such a degree that it impacts the freedoms of women, girls and non believers then you have to question the malignant intent behind it- again regardless of which god or gods is alleged to have commanded.

Mankind has fought wars, divided nations and broken families and lives because of these omnipotent ‘almighty’ beings- utter insanity.

What further evidence is needed to convince people that all religions are man made.

What are you so afraid of Annabelle, they have the same woman hating views you seem to

Are you, perhaps, bringing an unrelated argument into this thread?

We already have a word don’t we…extremism. And it doesn’t just apply to Sharia law implementers but religious extremists of any religion

I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of someone who thinks Sharia law is coming to the U.K. (I dont think that and you are right in that Sharia law is terrifying and discussions should not be shut down) and in the same breath would ban abortion. Two cheeks of the same woman hating arse IMO.

(Yes is the answer you your question, sorry OP, it just fucked me off)