To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

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I understand that there are different sects within Islam and that while some pose no concerns, others do. I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic. It's not unreasonable to fear a religion that imposes such harsh lives on women.

But I don't believe I am seeing Muslim men stand up against this at all, and that does concern me. I do wonder, in all seriousness, just how misogynist the whole (and other organised religions) faith is?

What no-one seems to realize is that Judaism is extremely insular; I'm not aware of any Jewish sect trying to convert anyone or impose Judaic law on others.

Christians, I'll give you, have a pretty dicey history on this.

The lack of logic is the assumption that immigrants will all be Muslims.
Christianity is the most populous religion in the world. It is more likely that the majority of U.K. will go all Catholic again than Muslim or Hindu.

Most religion is paternalistic, ruled by men. Pre monotheistic religions are more likely to center women as connected to the universe's creative energy.

Sadly it really isn't. Sharia Law is a code, under the veneer of religion, that allows a few men to dominate and drive custom. It is so harmful to women.

Research suggests that Muslims are the fastest growing religion, so logic suggests that more immigrants will be Muslim.

The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050 | Pew Research Center

Pre monotheistic religions are more likely to center women as connected to the universe's creative energy.

Incorrect.

You want to say more? Back up your rebuttal?

Its a young religion, like medieval christianity, look at them they were fanatics. I see it at the same stage as that. Will it be able to evolve itself?

I wish people like you wouldn’t say ‘Muslims’ like we are all the same. Many of us are liberal. Fully integrated. Part of diverse communities. Born here. Living in the UK, some married to non-Muslims, wearing whatever we want, eating what we want but still identifying as Muslims. Some of us would be as scared of sharia law as you are. The biggest threat the Taliban etc pose is to other Muslims. Not the West.

Please don’t stereotype us all like this.

Islam and Christianity are evangelical, its gods work to try to convert people. Im not sure Judaism has that element

UK Census data on religion although it is important to note the question was voluntary - 94% answered

There were increases in the number of people who described themselves as “Muslim” (3.9 million, 6.5% in 2021, up from 2.7 million, 4.9% in 2011) and “Hindu” (1.0 million, 1.7% in 2021, up from 818,000, 1.5% in 2011).

Religious composition, 2011 and 2021, England and Wales

Ok, but the study you linked projected the by 2050 “In Europe, Muslims will make up 10% of the overall population.”

Now, most of these will be secular Muslims and have no interest in imposing Sharia law. So how is such a minority going to force over 90% of the population to follow Sharia law?

I think statistically the majority of newcomers to the UK are not christian so Im not sure why or how the UK would convert to Catholicism

That's exactly what my original question is about, so I'll rephrase:

You don't think any Muslims want to impose Sharia law?

Yes I do think some extremist Muslims want to impose sharia law. And I bloody well hope they don’t. I can’t see it happening in reality; hope not anyway.

It really doesn't. From my understanding, it's traditional for would be converts to be turned away 3 times before they can even consider begin to learn more.

There are definitely muslim men trying to speak out against the very misogynistic elements in Islam. Then they are often met with «you are criticising Islam unfairly» and/or threats of violence against themselves and their families.
Both the muslim men and women who dare to talk about the huge, glaring problems in Islam in public are very Brave - which in itself shows a problem Islam has within its most fundamentalist countries and communities.

Christianity does not issue fatwahs, not anymore.

Not true. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and Christianity is declining in the UK, as we well know.

Actually most migrants to the U.K. are Christians.
ONS response to a FOIA on it for 2022

top 3:

219,017 Christians
152,933 No religion
74,218 Muslim

Ratio is 3 Christians immigrating to the U.K. for every 1 Muslim.

Christianity does not issue fatwahs, not anymore.

An equivalent to a fatwah is a papal bull. Last one issued was just six months ago.

What isn’t true in my post?

I’d have to write a book. It would be much easier if you simply read up on different polytheistic religions. Patriarchy long pre-existed monotheism and is almost universal in all times, religions and places.

Even if you just looked at Greek, Roman, Norse, Celtic, Sumerian, Persian, Egyptian, Hindu, Chinese, Japanese, Māori, Aztec, Inca, Zapotec, Ethiopian, Zulu, Igbo, Zoroastrianism, Minoan, Phoenician, Phillistine, Etruscan, Mongol, Nepalese, Scythian ancient religions you’d find eh, polytheism with male gods firmly in charge and the centre of divine power and might.

Even the early version of my religion, Judaism, was polytheistic and patriarchal- Yahwism.

I thought your husband was Jewish, is that not correct? I'm sure you wrote that on one of your many posts on the conflict in the ME.