To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

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I understand that there are different sects within Islam and that while some pose no concerns, others do. I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic. It's not unreasonable to fear a religion that imposes such harsh lives on women.

I didn't say it was comparable to the Taliban, my point was about the treatment of women in the Abrahamic faiths. After all, ultra orthodox Jews segregate the sexes.

She makes a lot of sense. It's interesting how people interchangeably argue that culture and religion are so separate but in the next breath admit that they shape each other. Ignorance is merely a lack of knowledge, but having knowledge and using it are worlds apart.

It was disturbing to see support for a caliphate in the UK, but unsurprising considering the drip feed of anti-western rhetoric that's been prevalent for at least the last 30 years.

On other threads you get asked 'isn't everybody a nationalist?' the answer is patently 'no', given how much some people say they despise the culture of the nation state they live in.

Aayan's analysis of the tension between cross border tribalism and the stability of a nation state explains what we see happening in many places.

Anyone remember this? ....

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #1)

Just an amusing little aside on the nature of 'mans' relationship to god.

What positive things has Christianity done for women?

Magdalene laundries, restricting divorce rights, restricting reproductive rights, having a philosophy that wife is to obey her husband like husband obeys God. The commandment to be fruitful and multiply, women’s natural place is pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. That men are responsible for the morality of their wives and daughters and may chastise (beat) them still legal in some Christian countries. The exhortation to modesty and preserving virginity for marriage. The blame for rape being on women and their dick teasing ways… that women accused of a witchcraft were almost always women who chose to live and earn independently- ie widows who refused to remarry. Child marriage of girls in western Christian countries so long as the parents agree.

Editing- I agree with you.

Posters can’t take the worst of the countries that are majority Muslim and then compare that to the best of the countries that are majority Christian to argue that all or even most Muslim countries are terrible compared to all or even most Christian countries.

That is called cherry picking. You are right to say it is an issue with most religions that women are second class humans.

Thanks, I do recall this. It’s very apt.

.....all those Christian fundamentalists causing a headache to the security services.......

I feel the same about all religions. About the Christians who want strict Christian rule for example.

Do you know many?

Yep. The riots and attacks on Jewish and Muslims in the U.K. are very concerning.

It's not Christian fundamentalists that are the problem but the far right. They tend to identify as Christians.

Christian riots... ???? Really?

Yes of course, the January 6 insurrectionists identify with Christianity, it's part of their ethos. The recent anti Muslim rioters were 'defending' British culture which is Christian.

Maybe it some sort of resistance, I've heard that's a justifiable thing in some quarters.

Yeah, they were Christians.

They see themselves as defending Christianity and preserving Western culture.

That was sarcasm incidentally, (which the authorities of low wit tell me is the lowest, though I would argue that it ranks above dad jokes and slapstick, but taste is a subjective thing.)

Of course they were, in church every Sunday I expect & prayers every bedtime bless 'em.

I expect their vicar incited them with a bit of old school fire & brimstone preaching.

Exactly.

I think you may need to read more. Admittedly we do celebrate burning traitors every November in the UK, but only metaphorically and there are usually fireworks too. The bin rolling thing isn't traditional either, usually it's cheese, or occasionally shopping trollies.

These days incitement to and instructions on how to get away with religious hate crime is over social media instead of from the pulpit:

“An X user who encouraged his 98,000 followers to join violent protests and instructed them on how to avoid being identified by police was jailed for three years at Lincoln Crown Court.
Wayne O’Rourke, 35, pleaded guilty to stirring up racial hatred by publishing material on his social media account between July 28 and August 8.
O’Rourke, who is a full-time carer for his partner, posted on July 29, the day three girls were killed in a knife attack in Southport: “Today was a terror attack by a Muslim … heads must roll.”
The court heard he made another post which told followers: “Leave your phones at home, wear balaclavas, plain clothes and nothing to identify you by. Use cash.” This was seen by more than 99,000 people.”

Oh yeah, he sounds like he's motivated by Christianity. 🤔

The far right Christian overlap is common knowledge.
https://theconversation.com/how-the-english-far-right-co-opted-christianity-and-why-its-crusade-shouldnt-be-ignored-82842

Is everyone who harms social cohesion using a veneer of religion on the far right?