To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

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I understand that there are different sects within Islam and that while some pose no concerns, others do. I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic. It's not unreasonable to fear a religion that imposes such harsh lives on women.

The general idea of Christianity is the creation of a new Covenant, so no we don't have to keep Levitical laws.

I don't want to sound harsh but feels like you're basing quite strong opinions on barely a Wikipedia level of understanding here. 😬

Why are you such a bad faith debate because you said about Jesus being inclusive about is he inclusive then you bought up Leviticus the two separate things are that Jesus wasn’t involved in Leviticus he was after that

I don’t think she’s debating in a proper manner because how can you criticise Jesus then get told that Jesus wasn’t in the old Testament then go back to let’s just ignore it then it’s not great debate skills

Either the Bible is the Bible - and you follow it all.

Or it isn't and you can pick and choose.

If you can pick and choose, why can't someone else ?

You can start to see how factions develop ....

Personally I have little time for all religions and their inherent hypocrisies. All of them.

I wonder how inclusive Jesus would have been towards adherents of Hinduism. Who believe in many many gods ?

E2A: Also, this is AIBU. I doubt we are going to solve the conundrum of world peace here.

tbf womble, I'm more familiar than most with my bible and (according to gospels) that Jesus had his limits) but I'm also familiar with some posting styles.

I've appreciated your contributions to this thread and am watching 'the history of religions' recommended by pp with interest.

That’s why I don’t follow the religion. I get your point, but Jesus was his own person and he was inclusive for the day.

Personally, I'm a "big fan" of Jesus, as represented in the bible. Can't really fault anything he said or advocated.

Which seems to be the case for most religions.

It's people I seem to have a problem with ....

I don’t want to interject, but various Christian leaders through history have indeed drawn on the Old Testament to justify their edicts. Two examples:

All the laws passed regarding witchcraft and the execution of witches for example are directly from the Old Testament
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Witchcraft/

The Ten Commandments which denote which sins are mortal sins in Christianity are straight from the Old Testament.

I also believe that Jesus brought in a new covenant.

I think the Old Testament tells us how things went wrong for the Jewish people a lot of the time and about the coming of Jesus

Matthew 5:17-18: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"

There is also Peter's dream in Acts that shows him that he can eat all sorts of foods

Yes the 10 commandments underpin Christianity but do they not make sense.

Ok good. This won't be deleted then: I am extremely unhappy with the change of values and customs that have come with legal immigration in recent decades. This has transformed and is transforming certain areas of the country (in talking provincial towns and cities) and not in a good way. It's impacted housing availability especially at the lower end of the market and crowded out NHS facilities and crime. All of my family and near friends agree with this and would support hard immigration restrictions on people coming from Muslim countries. Brexit only seems to have accelerated this trend as the UK looks more globally to fill jobs rather than taking those culturally more similar people on the doorstep.

Sorry to offend. Not sorry.

Much of Christianity in Europe (ab)used the Old Testament to justify the slave trade from antiquity to the 19th century…

Why Muslim countries?

I don't think anyone is holding Christianity up as some kind of ideal.

Fair enough. The Old Testament (or Torah) is obviously still a big part of scripture for Christians. There are negative references to witchcraft in the NT though.

Mortal sin is considered to be anything that constitutes 'grave matter' in Catholicism, I've seen the seven deadly sins referenced more than the Ten Commandments actually, but I think generally these are just used as a starting point. And boy does it go on plenty from there 😄

10 ? There's more than that. Some are quite specific about how to treat your slaves. With a rather unsettling insistence on specifically mentioning their sex.

Now some Christians will happily throw away the inconvenient ones. Others ... less so.

And we return to the slightly problematic point that either you have THE Bible, or you don't. But then it sounds a lot less impressive if someone burns you at the stake (or refuses you entry to a job or club) claiming "it says this in a bible" doesn't it ?

Funny - a thread about Islam is degenerating into the hypocrisies of the Christian faiths. Almost as if the vast majority of the UK is culturarally more at home with it ....

I mean the 10 commandments in Exodus

Well it’s not like the U.K. and other traditionally Christian countries & cultures are paragons of virtue. Definitely have their fair share of empires, genocides, slavery, terrorism, oppression of women, extremist views….compared to other countries and cultures of different religions.

Fair enough. The Old Testament (or Torah) is obviously still a big part of scripture for some Christians.

So we're back to picking and choosing now.

Is it my turn ?

People were very superstitious and I'm sure you've read/seen the crucible, more about power and land

“Funny - a thread about Islam is degenerating into the hypocrisies of the Christian faiths. Almost as if the vast majority of the UK is culturarally more at home with it”

Yes it has gone to that and is a bit odd. I suppose the lesson here is that Christianity is no better than Islam and it is a bit silly to think religion causes extremism when imho, extremists are opportunists and will use whatever tools are present in their culture. If they live in a Christian country- they will use Christianity to further their agenda. If they live in a Muslim country- they will use Islam to further their agenda. If they live in a Jewish country- they will use Judaism to further their agenda.

Ok. You know best 😄👍

Why is it odd ? The vast majority of the UK - despite what some people with bad agendas may want us to believe - is culturally Christian. Myself included. We just can't help it.

But to me if sharia law is so bad, why are so many men and women converting to islam?