Captain Tom's daughter

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Who would have thought it?

We were a captive audience at the start of lockdown. A lot of us felt like we wanted to help but didn’t know what to do.
So this man’s story touched a lot of us. We saw the NHS on its knees and so the donations flew in.
But this greedy woman decided the benefits should find their way to her, betraying every kind person who donated.
I do believe we were manipulated a lot at the time although I don’t deny Covid or that we messed to do something to try and contain its spread. However, to see how the rich benefitted from it turns my stomach - that interview with Michelle Mone where she has tears in her eyes makes me sick.

Tony Hudgell’s mother is exploiting that child. She is no better than Hannah Ingram Moore.

I didn't give Old Tom a penny for trundling around his garden with his shopping trolley. I found the whole idea of raising funds in such stupid piddling ways to support our professional NHS repellant and ridiculous.

This isn't a surprise at all. Charity is an inherently selfish act. People run charities to feel good about themselves and for their personal gain and people give to charities because it makes them feel good about themselves.

I actually tend to agree with you on this point. Feeling good about yourself is allowed though, yes? I specifically chose to work in the charity sector in my field because I want to enforce the ethics part of my role in a good cause. I don't want to do it for a meaningless purpose.

Until laws are passed to make it illegal for anyone involved in a charity to take any form of payment or gift in connection with that charity, people will always use them as a means to line their own pockets.

People who "work" for charities should pay to work for them, not receive payment from them.

You've unwittingly revealed the flip side here - people have a very proprietary attitude to charities. I've dealt with so many barmy approaches where people have a big attitude about what charities should or shouldn't be doing. Numerous approaches indeed from people telling us that we shouldn't be supporting this cohort or the other! Volunteers who want to run their own little empire with the charity's resources.

Charities define what they do and you can engage or not. The Ingram-Moores abused the principles of charity management.

I receive a salary for my work. If I didn't, I'd be in need of charity myself. My salary is effectively discounted by about 40% from the market rate. They struggled to hire someone with my level of knowledge and experience as it was, who could help them provide expertise that protects the people they work with (my primary responsibility in law is to them, not my employer).

Furthermore, the charity I work for sets high standards for working conditions for staff. They take the attitude that healthy staff = good work. They don't always succeed in this (it is after all, a large organisation, and there are historical issues to tackle), and part of my role is to address that. My management, right up to the CEO, have been explicitly clear that they're not interested in covering anything up. They want matters solved and to conduct themselves ethically.

They're not perfect. But I'm happy to work here in a way that I haven't been in any other organisation.

At risk of being flamed, yes some of us DID think it was all bonkers at the time, that the media jumped on it as such a marvellous and special thing (it really wasn't) but didn't dare say so publicly. Also thought it odd that any pictures in the news had her face almost eclipsing his and she was clearly desperate to keep this going. She absolutely should be prosecuted and/or jailed for fraud, deception, theft etc but no doubt has the money and contacts to get away with it. Bet there's a frosty atmosphere whenever she meets any of her neighbours though. You'd think she'd move away and change her name to avoid the utter shame. It is surely long overdue that ALL charities have much stricter regulations and checks.

I found it all nauseating at the time. And I think Tom was on an ego boost which did achieve unexpected and extraordinary funds.
His family were reveling in the glory and saw an opportunity to scam for their own purposes.
I didn't donate to their 'charity' and actually pretended I had as it was obvious that he and his scummy family were being revered by many.
In my opinion Hannah and husband should be charged and jailed, and return the stolen money.
How shameful. How low can you go.

A lot of so called charities are just vehicles to make money for the people that run them.

The way it works is you pay yourself a large salary, but the charity itself makes no profit.

This of course undermines the good work done by many charities which are run legitimately..

What I would like to see is some practical ways of stopping people running businesses under the guise of charity.

One possible way would be to cap the allowed salary of any person within the charity to a level dependent on the number of employees/turnover.

This is one of the greatest headlines ever written... https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/03/captain-toms-daughter-concedes-reduced-using-public-spas-20059299/?ico=top-stories_home_top

Her husband's name is Colin. I hope his middle initial is F. 😉

I thought the house was on the market for a while?

The thing that I noticed then was how every time it was on telly (every day...) she'd be wearing more make up and the garden would be tidier!

Same. When it first happened I did mention I had concerns but people told me I was being hateful etc

So I pretended I had donated when I hadn’t. I am so glad I trusted my instincts now.

Naomi Campbell was called out by the charity commission recently

drives me mad when they say charity chiefs/spads etc etc need to be paid what they would get if they were in the private sector - a lot of those people wouldn’t survive in the private sector and there’s. I reason they should be getting top of those salary bands either!!!

Mr and Mrs Ingram-Moore described the Charity Commission inquiry as "unjust and excessive".
In a statement, they said: "True accountability demands transparency, not selective storytelling.

😮😮 The audacity!! But after the sight of her waving to the crowds at Wimbledon like the Queen of Sheba it shouldn't really surprise me.

There is a narrative that kindly old captain Tom led a life of virtue, but a few people have scratched the surface and found that he was no saint ( who is?).

There's only a couple of questions remaining..

1. How much was pre planned, and was it a grift from the start?
2. How much was Captain Tom in on it, and how much was he used.

I think anyone who really believes a 100 yr old bloke wanted to fly long haul to Barbados for a luxury holiday because it was on his ' bucket list' needs their bumps feeling.

You have to admire the brass neck of the family for pulling that off.

I know somebody who pocketed thousands by claining their nailbar was closed. The same nailbar that had never opened.

Multiply this by tens of thousands.

You sound nice.

Strange thing is there is something about her that reminds me of how I personally imagine some of the more 'intolerant of anyone struggling, high net worth' pony club , private school obsessives and huge house mumsnetters!

Thing is if she had kept it as a nice little earner but still with lots to the foundation and maybe took for herself £300k over a couple of years - I doubt it would be noticed- clearly though they became immensely greedy - the old 'much wants more'

Years ago I used to work in recruitment and I placed lots of people in charities. They usually got paid a bit less than similar jobs but they all did it because they felt it was helping a cause. Not saying this is right, but it has swung the other way.

Now I only give to 2 charities. A local food/clothing bank that was set up to directly help children and their families, and my local homeless charity.

I used to work in a department store and every year a well known charity came in and bought 50 gift cards for £50 for their staff Christmas party. Whilst I’m sure they deserved it, I used to donate to that charity and when I did I didn’t do it for their staff Christmas gift I did it for the recipients in terrible situations supposedly being helped by the charity.

Was as obvious as her curly hair.

Oh and we had a neighbour come round to ask why we weren't busy banging pots and pans- because dear neighbour I would rather the gvt had give a £750 a month uplift payment to NHS and care workers than spend 37 billion on an incredibly pointless track and trace app etc -

What a shock 🙄

I remember this place at the time. Attacks on those who said it was odd, deleted posts for daring to speak against it all. It was a crock of shit at the time and we all got a lot of crap hurled at us for saying so.

Bet none of those people will own up to it now though.

I am a trustee of a local charity and this sort of behaviour absolutely shames all of us. I am an unpaid volunteer,. I and my fellow trustees have never taken a penny in expenses or been paid for anything that we do. we do it because we want to make a difference to our small rural community and we know that we do because we see it and hear about it all the time. This whole thing reeked of fraud right from the very start. It was the daughter who suggested the walking and the poor old man was just a pawn. she saw an opportunity and she exploited it and milked it and ultimately she led to his death by dragging a nearly 100 year old man on a foreign holiday that apparently "he wanted". that will be on her conscience for ever I hope. The charity commission has shown its teeth and I hope it goes after all those other charities behaving in this way. anyone remember Camila Batmanghelidjh? this is not an isolated case.

Is the home she lives in hers or was it Tom's? Had her sister ever commented?

I used to work in a department store and every year a well known charity came in and bought 50 gift cards for £50 for their staff Christmas party. Whilst I’m sure they deserved it, I used to donate to that charity and when I did I didn’t do it for their staff Christmas gift I did it for the recipients in terrible situations supposedly being helped by the charity

Staff working for charities are often expected to make do with less because they work for a charity, often in teams that are chronically under resourced and with tiny budgets. £50 is hardly the earth.

It's a good job Captain Tom isn't around now to hear all this.
It was abit daytime taking a man of that Age to Barbados.
Wasn't there another sister and 2 grandchildren. You don't hear anything about them. Wonder how it's affected them?

But why care what strangers think. I read it on line. Don't care what strangers think about it. Too many sheep on here, thinking they are cool to slate it.