Captain Tom's daughter

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Who would have thought it?

The DM used to have a slot in it about MN back in the day.

Hannah orchestrated the whole thing - i wish that she could be sued somehow and made to payback every single penny. She wont care about her fathers good name being tarnished tho - shes just after the money.

No, of course they can't. The sort of poster who holds that sort of view about charities is never much of a thinker. The solution to this sort of shit is a regulator with lots of teeth, not stupid magical thinking.

Colour me surprised - err, not. I remember saying to my partner at the time that old bloke is likely going to be exploited and the daughter has shameless grifter written all over her. Shame.

"True accountability demands transparency, not selective storytelling."

Next up will be "We will be giving a full account of the truth of the matter in due course. But for now we think it's time for everyone to move on."

Translation: "They've got us bang to rights, now please shut up, and 'in due course' means 'never'".

Standing up at Wimbledon and waving madly when real achieving famous people just waved from a seated position in a dignified way.

I think that abuse of charities is awful. However; the regulatory environment worked here. It might be slow (probably as need to be fair and give due process) but it has been investigated and she and her husband are not allowed to be involved in the running of charities moving forward.

I remember saying at the time,that the whole thing wasn't as organic as they like to claim

There was more to it than the gs setting up a gofundme (innocently and for a few extra quid) and it getting picked up and the media running with it-rich old man,living in a massive house,white and middle class

There was a lot more organisation than that-they set out to make him a media 'name'

They will have had the contacts and the know-how

Then,when the money started rolling in,they saw their chance (which was the intention all along)

They will have been gutted they couldn't touch the 39 mil but that it was the means to the end

Then,the charity was set up-and they knew they would cream off what they could

And their 'type' didn't see anything wrong in this (I know their sort well,I have a family member that would do exactly the same if given the smallest chance)

They still don't see they did anything wrong,even though the world is saying they did-in their heads,everyone would have done the same/they deserved the money so whats the problem?

I'm not sure if he was 'in on it' but now we'll never know for certain

The one thing I'm 100% sure of is,he knew what she was like,how could he not?she's his daughter

I said this at the time-to my mil (who agreed with me-shes seen it all before) and at work where I was ripped to pieces (younger kids who swallowed the hype about this fluffy,war hero old man and his family)

I didn't know they fundraised for his birthday party-thats a new low

They are minted-pay for your own party!

Sheer greed-they had loads and wanted more,even at the cost of their reputations (it does piss me off,a tiny bit,that she's had more bad press than her husband-he was in on it as much as she was)

Wonder what happened to all the birthday cards he got?

Agreed.

For example, I had to alert the management of a charity working with vulnerable people that frontline staff on low salaries were making personal gifts of food to vulnerable service users on a regular basis when the charity's own support ran out.

These frontline workers were paid less not only because they were choosing the job for the passion of it, they were also, speaking bluntly, not likely to get better employment elsewhere.

A fifty quid gift card wasn't going to break the bank for the charity, but it gave a bit of gratitude and dignity to people doing far more than they could ever be valued for.

The area of work was youth rehabilitation, by the way, so perhaps consider that the £50 came from the many thousands saved from the state treasury in preventing crime and deprivation, rather than from your own pocket.

OK, so how would you feel if public sector workers were all given a £50 gift card for Christmas, paid by the taxpayer?

I've worked in the public sector for many years and we even had to pay for tea and coffee, never mind receiving Christmas presents!

As a PP said, it's not why people donate to charity. If I donate I want most of the money to go to the cause, and understand that there will be admin costs as well, but absolutely am not donating for luxury gifts for the staff, whether or not they are paid or volunteers.

They've got a slap on the wrist, but there's no criminal case here - so they get to keep all the money and buy a new mansion somewhere and still get to enjoy their pickings off their dead dad and the goodwill of people - sickening

No it’s not. However I don’t have a lot of money either, so my donations take away from me and mine. I don’t want my donations to go to Jenny from accounts to buy herself something nice from Phase 8. This is why I no longer give to big charities and only give to local ones where no one is skimming money off the donations.

All these worthy upper middle class people, saying all these lovely things and behind that grubby and rotten to the core.
I am shocked that they are not being FORCED to repay it, it seems they are seemingly being appealed to do so?

Sheer greed fortified with lies
At first I thought it was admirable until I saw an interview with Captain Tom and his daughter sat next to him and it felt off. She spoke for him and he just meekly agreed with her
Vile family

I'm a 'lefty' and do not read the Mail so not entirely sure why you are making things up. I don't know anyone who reads the Mail.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if this whole scam started with Hannah Ingram Moore getting a part time job as a cleaner at a factory in Wuhan!

The least financially effective charity I've ever been involved with was a small, local one. They had an unpaid volunteer directing the whole thing, for some unknown reason. The value of the damage he caused well outweighed what it would've cost to just pay someone the going rate. Fucked up the grant applications, drove experienced staff out causing increased recruitment costs, it really was quite the shitshow. But the charity made a big thing of how it reduced staff costs, for the period he was in post. Once he finally fucked off, they were much less keen to publicise how much their freebie had cost them!

Personally I think the sweet spot is often the middle sized ones. The sort of teeny, volunteer heavy setting so beloved by some MNers can have extremely varied results!

Before Covid I used to volunteer for a charity 2 days a week. I helped people access the food bank, and other services. People on the bones of their arse in debt, with small DC, many with shot to bits MH.

Having seen what I’ve seen, I’d be really embarrassed if someone came along and said “Merry Christmas, here’s your £50, thanks for your support”. I’d be mortified that some of our clients were using food banks and I’ve got a nice £50 voucher to buy myself a luxury.

Again, why do you think that small local charities are immune to this? Unless you're a forensic accountant or have actually observed their operations, you have no idea whether a local charity is better than a national one.

In my "small local" charity work, I've been pressured by the Chair of Trustees to drop a bullying allegation against another trustee, and seen patronising and derogatory comments aimed at frontline staff. Trustee roles were dished out to rich mates of the rich trustees, not those representative of the community being served. Oh, and some horrendous misogynistic behaviour against a junior member of staff who was actually at risk, which I had to flag as safeguarding when no one else recognised it, and force them down the proper routes when they were acting with gross irresponsibility as an employer.

When I left, several staff contacted me with diatribes about how badly they were treated and that they wished they could leave too.

In my national level charity work, I've been emphatically told by the CEO themselves that they want to face up to any internal issues, and that I must not let any fear of damage to the reputation of the charity impede my work to improve things. They noticed that they didn't know me personally when I came back from Mat Leave and took the time to introduce themselves and chat about my work. It's not perfect, but it's streets ahead in terms of working environment.

Good staff and volunteer retention saves an enormous amount in the long term, meaning that the charity can do more of the good that donors want to achieve.

And believe me, most beneficiaries do not want the people that are helping them to feel guilty about getting a little thank you.

To be honest, I would really presume that any of the staff members concerned would be buying themselves food with any vouchers given. But I'm talking staff here, not volunteers. People who are paid a certain rate and continuously going above and beyond and do not, in fact, have the full means to support themselves.

And if you want to view it cynically, I've never found a small bonus to be wasted when it comes to productivity and effective work.

But people expect charity workers to possess a different psychology to other humans, to not need praise, job satisfaction, motivation etc - just doing the work is supposed to be enough. That might apply to some volunteers, but I find that it never works to treat someone as not having normal human impulses.

Whilst the Tories, the Ingram-Moores of this world, are exactly what we expect. Throw in every Tory we ever hear about- business or politics or many on MNet- they are selfish, grasping, insensitive, greedy, in everything for the money they can get out of it and don't give a bugger about anyone else or ripping people off.

Johnson
Clarkson
Cameron
Truss
Zahawi
Hunt
Rees-Mogg
Badenoch
Tugendhat
Mone
Mansour
Bamford
Green

All greedy multi-million and billionaires, buying their way to titles and positions of political influence (from our money)while delivering lies and rubbish to the public

Not the first time something like this has happened and sadly, will not be the last.

Agree with whoever said that we need a regulator with more bite and more scrutiny into the "why's". The flag went up for me when the family decided it needed its own foundation rather than working with one already established.

Mostly I hate that this has hit the news just as christmas appeals get underway. Don't get me wrong - it's news that needs to be reported. However there's no doubt it will have an impact on public confidence in charitable giving.

Who would have thought it?

Lots of us.

And many of us posted on MN about it at the time and got shot down for being nasty NHS hating granny killers.