Should we be worried about war

[Seasidesand76]

Seen a lot in the news about Ukraine using USA missiles against Russia. I've been thinking more along the lines that it won't start a WW3 and will resolve at some point without the UK getting directly involved in war. But there seems to be more and more tension and threats of an all out war recently.

Should we be worried about WW3? I haven't been prepping or anything but does make me wonder if I should start getting a few days worth of food in case. At the same time I don't want to go down the prepper hole and start getting over the top.

@SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence

"But obviously if your suggestion was something irredeemably fuckwitted like cutting all military aid to Ukraine, that wouldn't be worth anything other than derisory laughter."

So when Trump gets into office it is looking quite probable that he will pull the plug on all US military aid to Ukraine when ch currently stands at $66 billion.

At that point the UK has a choice along with other Western European nations to plug that gap by jointly increasing their own defence spending in order to substantially increase their military aid.

I strongly suspect that many Western European nations will fail to do this as they don't want to increase taxes or cut spending in other areas. At that point it becomes pointless sending £3 billion to Ukraine as it will make no difference to the outcome.

Personally I think it would be appropriate for European nations to pay more as a percentage of GDP in defence in order to support Ukraine and their own security self interest rather than relying on US taxpayers.

But I don't want to see other European nations historical reliance on US military support paid for by US taxpayers simply replaced by reliance on UK military support paid for by UK taxpayers.

If that turns out to be the case then I would prefer a much more isolationist approach with the UK focusing more on it's own defence requirements especially as by doing so it would be at a much lower risk of Russian interference than say Finland.

We already know that Trump believes he can buy peace by giving dictators what they want, as do many of those around him. The lesson of history is that this is foolish. It simply encourages dictators to believe they can keep coming back for more, and generally leads to bigger, bloodier wars than if they had been stopped at the first opportunity.

The Russians could play a blinder and not be "provoked" and withdraw from Ukraine.

That'll teach all the war mongers who want to prolong

Or maybe they prefer to keep expanding westwards 🤷🏻‍♀️

Oh dear Russia has launched their first intercontinental ballistic missile against Ukraine and are now threatening Poland.

This really does feel like it’s escalating. I’m suddenly struck by the worry of this.

Can you really blame Putin tho .nukes on his border ..dialog is needed or what's the other option a world war where there are no winners .

No-one is putting nukes on his border. Even if Ukraine joined Nato, it wouldn't put nuclear weapons on Russia's border. Russia has more nuclear warheads than the US, UK and France combined - the largest confirmed stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. Don't pretend Putin's invasion of Ukraine had anything to do with nuclear weapons or any other kind of military threat to Russia.

@Dundee1 "Can you blame Putin.."

It's russia that has invaded and is currently murdering people in a sovereign country

What happens in Ukraine is fuck all to do with russia

All this "poking the bear" shite is laughable. Why nuclear weapons on his border. And nuclear weapons can take out his swamp in 10 mins from anywhere in the world

The man is a fucking maniac. So yes, I do blame him

And these kind of comments are the actual "war" we're currently caught up in

Yes I'm worried now.

I'm angry at Biden for allowing the missiles. Don't poke the mad bear. He will die off in a few years.

It's always fucking men.

Against Ukraine? Seems strange to use an ICBM for such a short range target.

Will be watching with interest for analysis. Alexander Mercouris is my go-to for information these days.

yes. it's said it's not an icbm. the type of weapon it's unclear at the moment

Victoria Nuland isn’t a man, to the best of my knowledge.

So just let the russians continue to murder Ukrainians

I love all this blame on those providing weapons but not much on the "mad bear" and the North Koreans and Iranians who are the ones escalating

This is the war. It's all about fear

Yes we should. No doubt about it-the world is in a precarious situation and there are way too many ageing, power-mad men in charge would use nuclear weapons to achieve their ends.

Agreed. Imagine if it were the other way round. How would USA react if a perceived hostile power had bases in Canada or Mexico. The proximity to Moscow is the issue. And the broken promises made to Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not expand further east, followed by massive expansion… 🤷🏼‍♀️

She's not POTUS is she at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious.

You think POTUS is in charge?

They won't, as they'll lose face.
The war mongers cannot be thaught, they'll find another war to start
Yes, he's looking forward to conquer UK

I don't want anyone murdered.

But this is escalating and far more people will lose their lives. Just as has happened in Gaza.

The missiles were his decision as reported by countless media outlets.

Now we've had the daft Mexico analogy and the outright lie about broken "promises" on "NATO expansion" to add to the sachs shite and the word of a convicted (and imprisoned for it) child sex offender

I'm waiting for Biolabs and "shelling the Donbas for 10 years" to make an appearance.

So Ukraine have stated that Russia has used an ICBM against it. The US has contradicted this statement denying it was an ICBM.

The situation is already on a knife edge of serious escalation and it's not helped by misinformation from Ukraine.

It’s a strange choice for all sorts of reasons so I think quite rightly lots of people in various places are going????as to what really has gone on.

In terms of rhetoric (especially as far as some of the MSM goes) it has of course led to breathless headlines about “nuclear capable” and strategic…….but of course the Russians have been using nuclear capable systems with intercontinental range in a short/medium range sub-strategic conventional role throughout this war…

My debit card is ready and waiting if it does!

@ladymactíre What do you mean by "thaught"? I can't work out what it is meant to be

Well it’s shorthand isn’t it? Biden decided this or that - really it’s his administration with him signing on the line.

If course it could have been his personal decision. Which is terrifying. The man clearly has issues. Personally I wouldn’t think he decides much these days. Maybe the flavour of ice cream for dessert… 🤷🏼‍♀️