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Should we be worried about war

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Seasidesand76 · 19/11/2024 11:45

Seen a lot in the news about Ukraine using USA missiles against Russia. I've been thinking more along the lines that it won't start a WW3 and will resolve at some point without the UK getting directly involved in war. But there seems to be more and more tension and threats of an all out war recently.

Should we be worried about WW3? I haven't been prepping or anything but does make me wonder if I should start getting a few days worth of food in case. At the same time I don't want to go down the prepper hole and start getting over the top.

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Charlize43 · 19/11/2024 18:10

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:07

Well you describing Russia for the last ten years. You missed off alcohol addictions…

You obviously missed my earlier post about the vodka...

DogInATent · 19/11/2024 18:10

Charlize43 · 19/11/2024 17:20

Bikini Atoll, Japan and the UK. What do these three have in common?

I'm intrigued to know what you think they have in common.

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:10

Stravaig · 19/11/2024 18:08

Having the supplies and skills to get by for 72 hours is a good baby step to build resilience in the population. Ideally with the aim of building to one week, and onwards. For several reasons, the third not being widely appreciated.

If it's a temporary weather-related disruption to food or utilities, it gives time for the problem to be resolved.

If it is the start of something bigger, it gives the govt crisis teams time to assemble and assess and start rolling out contingency plans.

In a rapidly deteriorating situation, if you have the ability to hunker down with your loved ones at home for a few days, without rushing around trying to find food or fuel or medicine, then you will be safer.

We know this from accounts of those who've lived through war (and current news reports). In any disaster or war zone, life is most dangerous when things are in flux. Soon, a still-horrific new 'normality' will establish itself for a while, and things become, not safe, but more known. Life adapts. For a while. Until the next flux point. Having to be out on the streets in search of supplies or help when things are at their most unpredictable is extremely high risk.

But in your zombie apocalypse scenario you haven’t factored in the most likely scenario here, and that is Putin disappearing with a sudden terminal illness.

Lyannaa · 19/11/2024 18:11

I have to say I'm almost pleased that Trump will be more cautious with Putin. I'm not sure arming Ukraine is the answer anyway.

WTF? Where to even start with this nonsense? You think Trump is an incredibly sensible guy and that dictators like Putin can be reasoned with?

Ukraine has the right not to be taken over by Russia. What makes you think you have the right to say that Ukraine should give up its land and way of life??

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:13

This fear mongering just goes to show how scared Putin is that his own people will turn against him when they start being bombed at home. This scenario is his worst nightmare, that he is unable to protect his own people.

Ukraine have nothing to lose…

Alphaalga · 19/11/2024 18:14

ByMerryKoala · 19/11/2024 16:51

Well, you terrorise yourself with visions of apocalyptic wars (the horrors of which can apparently be thwarted with a cupboard full of tins) decimating your mental health and the cascade of physical consequences that follow, while I get on with living my life peacefully.

It's amazing to see how many people are enthusiastically encouraging posters to doom spiral their way to misery.

Who needs "visions of apocalyptic wars" when we have so much documented history?
You might find brushing up on it useful... but don't be too disappointed to discover how few war horrors have been thwarted by cupboards full of tins, or how seldom such a ludicrous suggestion has even been made.

It's deplorable how anyone with ready access to news about world events, including live footage of atrocities as they happen, could ignorantly encourage anyone with enough knowledge of history to understand the potential implications thereof to just carry on and take no notice.

Lyannaa · 19/11/2024 18:15

I mean historic world wars were never one country against everyone else. Who would be on Russias side?

Mutually assured destruction actually makes the situation safer.

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:15

Alphaalga · 19/11/2024 18:14

Who needs "visions of apocalyptic wars" when we have so much documented history?
You might find brushing up on it useful... but don't be too disappointed to discover how few war horrors have been thwarted by cupboards full of tins, or how seldom such a ludicrous suggestion has even been made.

It's deplorable how anyone with ready access to news about world events, including live footage of atrocities as they happen, could ignorantly encourage anyone with enough knowledge of history to understand the potential implications thereof to just carry on and take no notice.

The fact is that is the reality in Ukraine not anywhere else - although perhaps coming to Moscow soon.

Verbena17 · 19/11/2024 18:15

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:05

Good try but everything we watch today is filmed first hand with collaborating footage from those also in the vicinity given eveyone has a phone and camera these days, and we don’t have to rely on news channels anymore unlike those countries that do not have access to the WWW…. Nor other channels featuring alternative views. Like Russia and China that use news for propaganda.

The extent to which the ‘movie’ has been scripted is mind blowing.
’Covid’, 2020 election, Ukraine, UK govt,

You can’t tell the People….you have to show them 😉.

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:16

Verbena17 · 19/11/2024 18:15

The extent to which the ‘movie’ has been scripted is mind blowing.
’Covid’, 2020 election, Ukraine, UK govt,

You can’t tell the People….you have to show them 😉.

It might be a good idea to lay off the vodka.

SuzieNine · 19/11/2024 18:17

@Artistbythewater Putin welcomes any weakening of the Western hegemony - which Brexit certainly contributed to. As does the ascendency of nationalist leaders such as Meloni, Orbán, and Trump. And then we have techbros who are fighting the Kremlin's information war for them so vigorously they might as well be on the payroll.

Lyannaa · 19/11/2024 18:17

🤣🤣

Lyannaa · 19/11/2024 18:18

Sorry that was in response to the vodka comment

Alphaalga · 19/11/2024 18:19

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:15

The fact is that is the reality in Ukraine not anywhere else - although perhaps coming to Moscow soon.

Well middle-Easterners will be breathing a sigh of relief with that news.

DogInATent · 19/11/2024 18:19

Alexandra2001 · 19/11/2024 17:15

That may well depend on the ordinance we still have and our ability to manufacture very large quantities of it.

I don't know if this is still the case but i did read that the UK has no means to make more Challenger 2 ammunition, still our MBT.

However, considering Russia cannot take a relatively small nation like Ukraine, despite air superiority, its hardly likely they could match a European only NATO force.

So for this reason, Russia wont want a wider war, let alone a nuclear one, which would end humanity as we know it.

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Challenger 2 ammunition - Slightly more complicated than that. The UK can't manufacture any more ammunition for the original gun barrel used for the Challenger 2. The UK was a bit of an outlier with that compared with NATO allies and the ammunition is not NATO standard. But there is a gun replacement upgrade that has been trialled that uses standard NATO ammunition if it comes to that.

The UK is replacing Challenger 2 with 3, and the 3 can't use the ammunition the 2 uses. So if Ukraine can use it, it saves having to dispose of it later.

SweetSixty · 19/11/2024 18:19

SuzieNine · 19/11/2024 18:17

@Artistbythewater Putin welcomes any weakening of the Western hegemony - which Brexit certainly contributed to. As does the ascendency of nationalist leaders such as Meloni, Orbán, and Trump. And then we have techbros who are fighting the Kremlin's information war for them so vigorously they might as well be on the payroll.

Russian money piled into the Leave campaign to Farage via people like Aaron Banks and his Russian wife.

BobbyBiscuits · 19/11/2024 18:20

@Outoftheways I wouldn't expect anything off my neighbours and my friends are more unwell than I am or live hundreds of miles away. So it would be a shit show. It's not worth considering else I won't even enjoy the tiny pleasures I do have!

Alexandra2001 · 19/11/2024 18:20

Lomoto · 19/11/2024 18:07

Agree with this. I have to say I'm almost pleased that Trump will be more cautious with Putin. I'm not sure arming Ukraine is the answer anyway. More cannon fodder of young soldiers on either side.

So you would let the aggressor take over Ukraine? and the 44m people living there.. what about them?

The only language Putin understands is strength, time and time again, he escalates in the face of weakness.

Putin wont take any notice of Trump if he tries to appease him, which ironically would mean Trump arms Ukraine even more.

Who care about Russian losses? i don't, they shouldn't be there... Ukrainian ones, absolutely.

Cailin66 · 19/11/2024 18:20

SuperfluousHen · 19/11/2024 12:14

It’s NATO I’m concerned about, particularly this awful decision of Biden to escalate things just as his tenure comes to an end.

So Russia taking over Ukraine is ok by you? Then Poland?

SuzieNine · 19/11/2024 18:21

Lyannaa · 19/11/2024 18:15

I mean historic world wars were never one country against everyone else. Who would be on Russias side?

Mutually assured destruction actually makes the situation safer.

North Korea and Belarus are already on Russia's side. North Korea just sent 10,000 troops to Ukraine (although I suspect that number to be considerably smaller after first contact). Belarussian troops have been involved since the start. China and India are both providing weapons and logistical support to Russia.

Verbena17 · 19/11/2024 18:22

Cailin66 · 19/11/2024 18:20

So Russia taking over Ukraine is ok by you? Then Poland?

You should watch at least the first 30 mins (history section) of the Putin/Tucker interview. Very interesting.

Minycat · 19/11/2024 18:23

Energetically I think we should concentrate in positive thoughts to avoid this happening; as this is exactly what the negative energetic forces want it to happen.

Charlize43 · 19/11/2024 18:23

I think I'd like to have a big party before planning a spectacular death; In the event of war, I wouldn't want to stick around, tbh. I'm 57 and I've worked enough... Dealing with Generation Hysteria is going to be horrendous, anyway. There are limits to my exasperation.

Alexandra2001 · 19/11/2024 18:23

DogInATent · 19/11/2024 18:19

Challenger 2 ammunition - Slightly more complicated than that. The UK can't manufacture any more ammunition for the original gun barrel used for the Challenger 2. The UK was a bit of an outlier with that compared with NATO allies and the ammunition is not NATO standard. But there is a gun replacement upgrade that has been trialled that uses standard NATO ammunition if it comes to that.

The UK is replacing Challenger 2 with 3, and the 3 can't use the ammunition the 2 uses. So if Ukraine can use it, it saves having to dispose of it later.

Yes that was sort of my understanding of it based on memory!

My point is that if we were to be involved in uk forces in Ukraine, we'd not have time to upgrade the Chally 2 barrels, i think the full swap out is years away!!!

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:24

SuzieNine · 19/11/2024 18:17

@Artistbythewater Putin welcomes any weakening of the Western hegemony - which Brexit certainly contributed to. As does the ascendency of nationalist leaders such as Meloni, Orbán, and Trump. And then we have techbros who are fighting the Kremlin's information war for them so vigorously they might as well be on the payroll.

Nope I don’t buy that at all. The west and NATO have actually come out of this much stronger and more resilient than anyone dared imagine.

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