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Rachel Reeves lied on her CV was not an “Economist”

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Disappointedagain22 · 16/11/2024 11:33

AIBU - it’s OK to lie to get ahead

AINBU - it’s bad RReeves very Publicly lied about her prior work. We are right to feel annoyed by this lie.

saw this headline and am feeling really disappointed. Think Rachel Reeves needs to tell public exactly her job title.
She changed job title from Economist, to “Retail Banking”
An Economist at a Bank, is a clear and specific job, it’s a economic research position. A good experience for her current position.

”Retail Banking” - is not a job title … she could have been doing anything in a branch from Bank Teller, to Branch manager, or working in back office operations putting bank notes in the plastic bags or in HR.

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Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 17/11/2024 13:03

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 12:44

This is utter rubbish. A retail bank is like your Santander down the high street , offering mortgages, loans and credit cards. They do not have their own compliance department!

Oh my word. Of course they do. Rules need to be followed.

Zonder · 17/11/2024 13:04

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 12:57

Her CV specifically says Halifax retail banking, so if you want to believe she was the entire compliance department go ahead.

People don't half spout shit on this forum about things they don't understand.

Speaking of spouting shit, you know both Oxford and Cambridge offer Masters in economics that take an academic year? 9 months.

Funny eh?

Otherunichoices · 17/11/2024 13:09

Zonder · 17/11/2024 13:04

Speaking of spouting shit, you know both Oxford and Cambridge offer Masters in economics that take an academic year? 9 months.

Funny eh?

Oxford doesn't. It offers an MPhil that takes 2 academic years.

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 13:10

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 13:00

Barclays house not only the retail side, it has the corporate bank, and under the Barclays group you have the investment bank. So indeed you would have a compliance department for the entire umbrella.

She worked for the Halifax retail bank.

If you recall, no one actually said that Rachel Reeves was a compliance officer. It was just a hypothesis offered, again on the basis of no evidence, that was less insulting than some of the others.

It seems that now people cannot continue to argue for the truth of Guido Fawkes so called reporting - and no one has acknowledged that he was either deliberately misleading or made a hell of a mistake - they are shifting the goalposts.

For emphasis, I have no problem with those who say I am holding fire but will criticise RR if her policies don’t work for the country. I would add: unless she shows us accounts, to which she has alluded, that the Tories left such a deep hole that nothing could work, while at the same time a few green shoots emerge.

summer555 · 17/11/2024 13:10

More super rich people trying to subvert democracy. Plus ca change? That really is the theme of the thread isn't it - how a small number of super-rich individuals interfere with democracy to serve their personal interests, whether through pushing slurs against elected politicians on the media outlets they control or threatening a flight of capital.

Subvert democracy? Come on, there was a factual statement that HNW individuals weren't leaving the U.K. due to changes made by Labour. They are.

They're also highly mobile so, quite rightly, they're deciding to move to more attractive tax regimes. They don't owe the U.K. anything, they're welcome to live wherever they choose and, shock horror, serve their personal interests.

They're not threatening a flight of capital, there is a flight of capital.
Neither is it subverting democracy but it will screw our public finances even more.

PandoraSox · 17/11/2024 13:10

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 12:44

This is utter rubbish. A retail bank is like your Santander down the high street , offering mortgages, loans and credit cards. They do not have their own compliance department!

I don't understand? Are you saying Santander does not have a compliance department? What is this then?

Legal & Compliance are a diverse team of professionals. They cover Legal, Compliance, Financial Crime, and Regulatory Affairs. The interest of our customers, employees, shareholders and communities are at the core of how we operate.

https://www.santanderconsumer.co.uk/about-us/working-for-santander-consumer-finance/legal-and-compliance/

Legal and Compliance – Santander Consumer Finance

https://www.santanderconsumer.co.uk/about-us/working-for-santander-consumer-finance/legal-and-compliance

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 13:12

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BIossomtoes · 17/11/2024 13:14

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 12:50

I'll give you an example.

I worked at an investment bank the time RR was at the retail bank. For the entire investment bank the compliance department was 2 men. And that's an investment bank , magic circle type firm.

I don't need to know what happened at hbos to say a retail bank will not have a compliance department, at that particular poiny of time in history .

I thought magic circle firms were legal, not financial.

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 13:15

summer555 · 17/11/2024 13:10

More super rich people trying to subvert democracy. Plus ca change? That really is the theme of the thread isn't it - how a small number of super-rich individuals interfere with democracy to serve their personal interests, whether through pushing slurs against elected politicians on the media outlets they control or threatening a flight of capital.

Subvert democracy? Come on, there was a factual statement that HNW individuals weren't leaving the U.K. due to changes made by Labour. They are.

They're also highly mobile so, quite rightly, they're deciding to move to more attractive tax regimes. They don't owe the U.K. anything, they're welcome to live wherever they choose and, shock horror, serve their personal interests.

They're not threatening a flight of capital, there is a flight of capital.
Neither is it subverting democracy but it will screw our public finances even more.

Numbers, please. Of citizens and permanent residents. I would wish the Russian oligarchs a hearty farewell.

I gather this threat emerges under every Labour government. It is often those so called patriots like James Dyson who bleat the loudest and may occasionally follow through.

You seem to be saying that patriotism is conditioned on which party is in power. Not an attractive look, is it?

Intotheoud · 17/11/2024 13:16

I think MN should fact check thread titles to stop this sort of party political mud slinging corrupting the platform.

Marlhmarlol · 17/11/2024 13:17

This thread has developed in an entirely predictable manner, like all discussions on such topics everywhere outside professional discussions with colleagues or occasionally the FT comments section, as usual deteriorating into ideologically driven Tories vs Labour whataboutery with nobody questioning why our economy is continually run into trouble he ground by both of their respective ideologies and we seem unable to elect any pragmatic politicians who will implement evidence-based policy that works, that allows the citizens of what used to be our comparator countries to have now far superior living standards.

The UK electorate would rather squabble over irrelevancies and fight over crumbs like rats in a sack than both to educate themselves on the very basics of economics and demand that their politicians manage the economy in a way that raises everybody's living standards. Over and over again, the same pattern and nobody ever learns.

Depressing in the extreme.

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 13:18

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Marlhmarlol · 17/11/2024 13:20

Sorry for typos. Too tired today and stupidly attempting to multitask.

But honestly, reading this is so depressing and exemplifies exactly why the UK is such a mess.

It really is pathetic and I am starting to think there is some truth in the adage that a country gets the politicians it deserves.

PandoraSox · 17/11/2024 13:24

Marlhmarlol · 17/11/2024 13:20

Sorry for typos. Too tired today and stupidly attempting to multitask.

But honestly, reading this is so depressing and exemplifies exactly why the UK is such a mess.

It really is pathetic and I am starting to think there is some truth in the adage that a country gets the politicians it deserves.

To be fair though, this thread was started by @Disappointedagain22 to accuse Reeves of lying, rather than to discuss her policies. You are right, though. This sort of rubbish is a distraction from what actually matters and I wonder about the motivations of the OP, who hasn't bothered to come back to the thread.

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 13:26

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You are ignoring the PP who worked with RR at the BoE where she did in fact work as a (younger) Economist.

These qualifications are in fact enough. I happen to have a STEM PhD but I have no hesitation in calling someone with a BSc and some experience, or anyone with an MSc, an Engineer or a Physicist or whatever. (Certain titles are protected, but Economist isn’t one of them)

EasternStandard · 17/11/2024 13:27

summer555 · 17/11/2024 13:10

More super rich people trying to subvert democracy. Plus ca change? That really is the theme of the thread isn't it - how a small number of super-rich individuals interfere with democracy to serve their personal interests, whether through pushing slurs against elected politicians on the media outlets they control or threatening a flight of capital.

Subvert democracy? Come on, there was a factual statement that HNW individuals weren't leaving the U.K. due to changes made by Labour. They are.

They're also highly mobile so, quite rightly, they're deciding to move to more attractive tax regimes. They don't owe the U.K. anything, they're welcome to live wherever they choose and, shock horror, serve their personal interests.

They're not threatening a flight of capital, there is a flight of capital.
Neither is it subverting democracy but it will screw our public finances even more.

Agree that's a bizarre response to numbers on capital flight

Disappointedagain22 · 17/11/2024 13:32

PandoraSox · 17/11/2024 13:24

To be fair though, this thread was started by @Disappointedagain22 to accuse Reeves of lying, rather than to discuss her policies. You are right, though. This sort of rubbish is a distraction from what actually matters and I wonder about the motivations of the OP, who hasn't bothered to come back to the thread.

Correct, I do think it’s unethical to lie about previous jobs. If I hired a person, and the job title on LinkedIn, or CV didn’t match what their previous employer confirmed in a reference, I would have grounds for termination (because they would have signed document allowing employer to terminate if there was this type of fraud.)
Despite all the posts about “women” being held to higher standards, Tory pols lie all the time, and other posts saying they lie all the time to get jobs - - I continue to be disappointed.

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poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 13:33

PandoraSox · 17/11/2024 13:24

To be fair though, this thread was started by @Disappointedagain22 to accuse Reeves of lying, rather than to discuss her policies. You are right, though. This sort of rubbish is a distraction from what actually matters and I wonder about the motivations of the OP, who hasn't bothered to come back to the thread.

I don’t think we need to wonder about OP’s motivation. The headline to which they referred was completely misleading, what with Bank of Scotland having been absorbed into HBOS.

Irresponsible in the extreme

StarlightLady · 17/11/2024 13:39

LlynTegid · 17/11/2024 11:37

The Daily Mail pays for Boris Johnson to write a column each week. Probably becomes the highest paid fiction writer per word in history.

And the Mail has an owner who is non domicile in the UK for tax purposes.

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 13:44

Disappointedagain22 · 17/11/2024 13:32

Correct, I do think it’s unethical to lie about previous jobs. If I hired a person, and the job title on LinkedIn, or CV didn’t match what their previous employer confirmed in a reference, I would have grounds for termination (because they would have signed document allowing employer to terminate if there was this type of fraud.)
Despite all the posts about “women” being held to higher standards, Tory pols lie all the time, and other posts saying they lie all the time to get jobs - - I continue to be disappointed.

@Disappointedagain22 , have you not seen that Bank if Scotland was a commercial bank absorbed into HBOS in 2001? No one on the thread caught that yesterday and neither did of Guido Fawkes and the tabloid readers

A LinkedIn post is not a sworn document of truthfulness and politicians need to relate to the people. Charitably, we can credit Guido Fawkes, @Clavinova and others who, either directly (@Clavinova ) or by implication think BoS is more prestigious than HBOS with a mistaken belief that BoS was a Government Bank.

If I were on RR’s team, I would be worried that others would make the same mistake. That’s why I would update the LinkedIn. This is not lying in any sense of the word.

If RR’s policies fail and she cannot show the nation accounts from recent Tory governments that would have made any five year remedy impossible, come back and criticise her. I will probably join in. But give the woman a chance.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 17/11/2024 13:44

I don't believe there has been any proof that RR has lied on her CV or anywhere else.
My job title on LinkedIn is the one I had two jobs ago because I really don't use it anymore. It is social media not in-depth analysis of your working life.
Also, my company does not give references other than yes she worked here from 2012-2024. I don't think they would even confirm my job title.

Alphaalga · 17/11/2024 13:54

"Labour's had more than long enough to sort this country's woes out, what gives?"

Liars in the media and readers with headline-sized attention spans are where these apologists - still making excuses for criminal, corrupt and incompetent tory politicians even after all these years of corrosive thatcherite economics - are coming from.

In through the nose, out through the mouth. Try it.

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 13:59

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 13:26

You are ignoring the PP who worked with RR at the BoE where she did in fact work as a (younger) Economist.

These qualifications are in fact enough. I happen to have a STEM PhD but I have no hesitation in calling someone with a BSc and some experience, or anyone with an MSc, an Engineer or a Physicist or whatever. (Certain titles are protected, but Economist isn’t one of them)

You can be mickey mouse as far as this place is concerned.

Pp can say whatever she wants . Go and check the laura kuenssberg program where there was a full fledged BoE ex employee saying she had a shit ass junior job there and the Labour dame say next to him agreeing.

PandoraSox · 17/11/2024 14:01

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 13:59

You can be mickey mouse as far as this place is concerned.

Pp can say whatever she wants . Go and check the laura kuenssberg program where there was a full fledged BoE ex employee saying she had a shit ass junior job there and the Labour dame say next to him agreeing.

You seem very angry. Why?

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 14:05

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 13:59

You can be mickey mouse as far as this place is concerned.

Pp can say whatever she wants . Go and check the laura kuenssberg program where there was a full fledged BoE ex employee saying she had a shit ass junior job there and the Labour dame say next to him agreeing.

Who was the full fledged BoE ex employee? And who was the Labour dame?

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