"chest feeding" men should not be put above women and babies by La Leche League. Reasonable?

[GenerativeAIBot]

How many women will self exclude based on this outcome? How many children will suffer because of it? Anything more than zero is unacceptable

This is the direct and foreseeable outcome of ever allowing the word woman to be mutable. This is the ultimate outcome of all these progressive policies, generally well meaning, with terrible outcomes

https://archive.ph/NsquC

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/breastfeeding-charity-chief-quits-over-transgender-policy-zhvhl8nps

Identity politics should be dead and we need to bury it.

@izimbra argument seems to come down to - perverts should be able to do as they please because women face a multitude of issues.

I don't even have works for how f*cked up that position is 😵‍💫

**This is not about trans men. Read the LLL website, it's also about males/ transwomen who want to breastfeed. Miriam Main did not resign because females want to chest feed!

This is from the LLL website.

^Trans women can use a protocol similar to adoptive and other non-gestational mothers and stimulate their milk supply: it is called the Newman-Goldfarb protocol. You can read more here https://laleche.org.uk/relactation-induced-lactation/ and here http://www.asklenore.info/breastfeeding/inducedlactation/protocols4print.shtml.^

Yes, they are. But the article linked to in the OP is about trans women inducing lactation so they can "breastfeed", and LLL's policy about that.

I know I keep asking this, but can anyone shed further light on how we got here?

Misogyny, yes - and this is a particularly depraved version of it. Misogyny has always plagued our societies, yet even 10 years ago, this kind of behaviour would have been condemned as perversion. What changed?

How dare you minimise someone’s virtue signalling.

The misogyny of the position of this poster has been mentioned before if I remember correctly.

Good people did not speak up (not enough of them, not big enough ones. Don’t say JKR she’s the exception that proves the rule)

people need to STAND UP

identity politics is DEAD and we need to be shown to BURY IT

or, Trump is in power for ever

True. But why didn't they? How did they become so intimidated?

Cross posted.

Because Stonewall and friends associated trans and ID politics with the (justified and won) argument about gay rights but forgot to think through the consequences

so everyone pointed at dissenters and treated them like gay bashers

now people are starting to see the emperor actually has no clothes - enough that the trickle has become a stream and since Trump won - I think it’s a river

we must keep talking about g about it and in places other than mumsnet

A very clever approach. I guess I just can't fathom how it worked so well. But yes, absolutely agree with everything you're saying

I'm commenting on the cognitive dissonance one needs to be convinced they are not a biological female yet choose to gestate and feed an infant.

There are plenty of marginalised groups in society today who do not seem to merit the concessions which are applied to the trans community.

Since when are boundary pushing men an ‘tiny marginalised minority’?! Women’s rights to single sex spaces, including within the NHS is a massive issue for A LOT of women. You don’t get to decide whether it’s an issue or not.

You can’t answer the most basic of questions of how you think biological men should be allowed in women’s spaces and sports, you don’t seem to us stand the concept of basic safeguarding and why single sex spaces exist in the first place, and now you are defending men with fetishes. Slow handclap for you.

Your only stance appears to be ‘you haven’t MET any transpeople, you don’t understand them’. We don’t have to. We need men to stay out of our spaces and sports.

What I find boring and frankly bizarre is hanging about these boards spouting the same shite despite reasonable argument, points and evidence put to you. You offer nothing. Wash rinse repeat. Is that really the best use of your time?

Your only stance appears to be ‘you haven’t MET any transpeople, you don’t understand them’. We don’t have to. We need men to stay out of our spaces and sports.

Not only that when we have experience of trans people, even within our own families and express a different view Izimbra either downplays those opinions or doesn't come back to thread.

Still curious who the 6% are

We've got to stop talking about 'trans people' like they're a monolith. There are many different types of people lurking under that umbrella.

Why would you defend men who want access to women's breastfeeding groups?

You are trying to defend child abuse.

Any one who supports males secreting chemicals into the mouths of babies should own what they are 'defending'.

@PunnySheep are you actually thinking about what you're supporting here or is it just 'must support the latest thing and call out 'bigots'.

Genuinely, what is going on?

“Defending men”

there fixed it for you.

and if you are under the impression that shouting from the rooftops, “l women don’t have cocks” is somehow illegal we have some very interesting news for you

Angry virtue signalling.

nobody has told them the emperor has no clothes on and everyone has seen her cock.

BalletCat · Today 08:30

The word cis is a real word that has a meaning.

Yes, it means "on this side of," in a geographical sense. Trans activists have co-opted it incorrectly and many people find it offensive to be described so. It's entirely unnecessary and redundant, as we have woman / man and their trans equivalents. That's the only distinction required.

Oh no, we've been called mean words...maybe we should just give up on female spaces and avert our eyes when men abuse babies?

Is that how you think this conversation should go @PunnySheep

The klaxon really went out on this thread. So much running defence and obfuscation for men who want to use babies as a fetish prop.