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Heard the one about Racist Dogs in Wales

112 replies

Horrace · 14/11/2024 13:11

Been trying to copy links from the Telegraph and various other news outlets but failing miserably with my phone so any help much appreciated.

Anyway, it seems the Welsh Labour government are trying to create dog free zones to make Wales less racist or something along those lines.
The more I read it, the less sense it makes. Not that it made any sense to begin with.
Any Welsh mumsnetters with racist dogs?
Could you send your dog on a course to be less racist like we have to in our places of work.

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kitsuneghost · 14/11/2024 16:36

colddays · 14/11/2024 16:33

Are you from the 80s?

No. 70s

Greentreesandbushes · 14/11/2024 16:39

Dogs are racist. Mumsnet had a thread all about it recently

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 14/11/2024 16:44

If it’s true that this is because dogs are considered unclean by Muslims, then IMO the result of this sort of bending over backwards is only likely to drive more people towards Reform.

Gatekeeper · 14/11/2024 16:47

"I hear you're a racist now Fido"

Sia8899 · 14/11/2024 16:52

Greentreesandbushes · 14/11/2024 16:39

Dogs are racist. Mumsnet had a thread all about it recently

Was just about to say this. Loads of people replied and said either their dog is racist against black people or that they are black and dogs bark at them. I thought the OP was going to be shot down but it seems to be very much a thing. The people who get barked at said they weren't offended though as the dogs hadn't been trained to bark at them, they were just reacting to seeing a person who looked different to their owner.

As I understand it from the articles, a climate action group surveyed people from ethnic minorities who said they wanted more green spaces. So the recommendation is to create more allotments and dog-free areas. I can understand why people can see some dogs and walkers as a nuisance, but the link to race is unclear

Attelina · 14/11/2024 16:54

I live on the Gower Peninsula and it's very low diversity so have actually yet to see an ethnic person on any of my dog walks or hikes in years.

The ethnic minorities tend to live in or near Swansea city centre, Sketty etc and I only drive through those areas.

DogInATent · 14/11/2024 17:05

kitsuneghost · 14/11/2024 16:31

I think most parks should be dog free. Encourage people to get out and exercise a bit more.

If you walk in the park in the early morning or late evening you'll see just how many people walk the dog as their daily exercise, and rather sadly how many rely upon meeting other dogwalkers in the park to maintain a degree of social contact in their lives.

Parks are large enough for everyone to use - dog walkers, families with children, pedestrians, kids with balls, and even joggers. Everyone just needs to be sensible about it.

IHateTheM25 · 14/11/2024 17:10

Eraserbread · 14/11/2024 13:44

Exactly!

They should probably be very careful about which places they make dog-free too. Our local beach was made dog-free and the decision was very quickly reversed when the local businesses started losing money (dog walkers are there in all weathers), and so many of the locals complained!

Same as the café in the local park - everyone was delighted that no dogs were allowed, even to pop in to pick up a takeaway coffee. Until winter in the wind and rain and the only people in the park were the dog walkers who would loved to pick up a coffee while walking around. That decision was swiftly reversed.

Horrace · 14/11/2024 17:13

Gatekeeper · 14/11/2024 16:47

"I hear you're a racist now Fido"

Best one yet

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Gingerlingerlonger · 14/11/2024 17:15

Moonlightstars · 14/11/2024 13:28

Also I have noticed that the percentage of people scared of dogs that aren't white compared to those that are white is higher. People unfortunately that act scared of dogs are more likely to make the dog reactive as a dog picks up on the fear and thinks something scary is going on.

My uncle had a dog, massive soppy great dane cross, that would react to the father of their neighbouring family. He would stand on the other side of the gate calling to my uncle in a shaky scared voice because he was scared of the dog. The dog couldn't see him over the 6 foot gate but he would go batshit crazy trying to get at him. Everybody jokingly said the dog was racist but I always thought the dog was just reacting like you describe. That massive beast was terrified of my aunties Yorkshire Terrier. Used to crawl under the kitchen table and refuse to come out.

My other auntie's yorkie was a true equalitarian. She hated fucking everyone apart from aunty. Do not dangle your elbow over the side of auntie's sofa if you want to keep your elbow, no matter what colour the skin on it happens to be.

VegTrug · 14/11/2024 17:24

My mum's late D-Dog (harmless Schnauzer we had from a puppy, so no bad experiences in his past) would bark at any black person he saw. It all started when an African lady on the street would walk past in the most beautiful, brightly coloured traditional African clothes & head dress(?) every day and it sent him wild. From that moment on he would woof a couple of times whenever he saw anybody of colour. I was so embarrassed. He was a really lovely dog though 🐾

another1bitestheduck · 14/11/2024 17:32

user2848502016 · 14/11/2024 14:05

This is just an anti Welsh article disguised as real news.
They do it a lot in the DM/Telegraph ... misleading headlines and articles where the real message is "look how silly the Welsh are, much better if they were back under English control"

exactly, and people like OP fall for it and propagate it.
The version of the article I read specifically ends with:

"A Welsh Government spokesman said: 'These comments are feedback from people who were asked their views and NOT proposals.
'There are NO plans to ban dogs from the countryside and any suggestion otherwise is inaccurate and a complete misrepresentation of the report.'

Although tbh I'd be quite in favour of a 'no dogs' area or 'no dogs' set time, or at the bare minimum a 'no dogs off lead' policy - several times some untrained hound has bounded up to me and put their muddy paws over my coat while their idiot owner shouts "don't worry he won't hurt you!" Don't care, still don't want them jumping at me, and if I was afraid of dogs, the "reassuring" by someone so ineffectual their own dog ignores their attempt at recalling them is hardly trustworthy.

Horrace · 14/11/2024 17:37

another1bitestheduck · 14/11/2024 17:32

exactly, and people like OP fall for it and propagate it.
The version of the article I read specifically ends with:

"A Welsh Government spokesman said: 'These comments are feedback from people who were asked their views and NOT proposals.
'There are NO plans to ban dogs from the countryside and any suggestion otherwise is inaccurate and a complete misrepresentation of the report.'

Although tbh I'd be quite in favour of a 'no dogs' area or 'no dogs' set time, or at the bare minimum a 'no dogs off lead' policy - several times some untrained hound has bounded up to me and put their muddy paws over my coat while their idiot owner shouts "don't worry he won't hurt you!" Don't care, still don't want them jumping at me, and if I was afraid of dogs, the "reassuring" by someone so ineffectual their own dog ignores their attempt at recalling them is hardly trustworthy.

The original article has been updated since I started this thread with new statements from the government spokesperson you have quoted.
None of that was in the original articles.

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HarrietPierce · 14/11/2024 17:40

"Read the fucking article- it has nothing to do with Muslims having an issue with dogs or how well you do respecting other cultures."

This. I knew it would turn into some Islamaphobic diatribe. My Muslim husband and his wider family love dogs.

Raquelos · 14/11/2024 18:14

If you make it to the end of the article (and I completely understand if you didn't) it wraps up with this:

A Welsh Government spokesman said: 'These comments are feedback from people who were asked their views and NOT proposals.
'There are NO plans to ban dogs from the countryside and any suggestion otherwise is inaccurate and a complete misrepresentation of the report.'

So all total BS, which is always such a surprise from the DM

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 14/11/2024 18:43

Depending on where you or your family are from, dogs may have been used to attack (including rape) and/or kill. A Sudanese friend alerted me to this a few years ago. There are other examples of places where this happens, and British people may have family in or be refugees from these places

Black British people statistically fare worse with the police and may associate dogs with guarding and intimidation also because of transgenerational trauma in former colonies where guard dogs are used even today. A South Asian friend of mine in an English city was threatened with having a dog set on her when she rang unexpectedly at a white neighbour's because she was locked out.

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 14/11/2024 18:52

Horrace · 14/11/2024 14:40

@Nellieinthebarn

Well said.
It is virtue signalling.
I am sure the Welsh government is run by adults so why they can't use common sense and honesty is beyond me.

You’ve not sent a lot of time in wales have you?

Horrace · 14/11/2024 18:56

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 14/11/2024 18:52

You’ve not sent a lot of time in wales have you?

Only 53 years

Welsh Labour are a fucking joke

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 15/11/2024 10:30

@Sia8899 , from experience, some dogs will bark at anything unfamiliar, because it frightens them. Our old dog, who wouldn’t hurt a fly, and once hid behind the sofa when a friend of a dd brought his pet rabbit round! - once barked at a policeman in a helmet - first time she’d seen one. Ditto at a large Halloween pumpkin that I’d put outside on the garden table - such a scary orange face!

Lovelysummerdays · 15/11/2024 10:34

This is bonkers. I did have a rescue once who didn’t like white blokes. I assume mistreated previously but was fine with others. I suppose now I’d have to suggest he “reframe his trauma”

Pussycat22 · 15/11/2024 10:35

batmansknickers, yep you heard alr

aright!! Oh the professionally offended have found something else to be offended about!

SweetSixty · 15/11/2024 10:46

I've noticed that a lot of anti-woke, stop the boats, racist type people have photos of their dog (often a very measured looking bichon frise) against a George cross background as their profile picture on Facebook.

Could it be to do with that?

Or could it be culture war stoking by the Telegraph et al?

SweetSixty · 15/11/2024 10:47

Lovelysummerdays · 15/11/2024 10:34

This is bonkers. I did have a rescue once who didn’t like white blokes. I assume mistreated previously but was fine with others. I suppose now I’d have to suggest he “reframe his trauma”

I had a rescue jackahuahua who didn't like men with grey hair and glasses.
Didn't matter what colour they were - just grey hair and glasses on anyone.

2dogsandabudgie · 15/11/2024 10:51

BloominNora · 14/11/2024 13:35

FFS - stop falling for race baiting DM headlines 🙄

The article is about a couple of reports that has been produced by two different Welsh BAME group about the barriers that ethnic minorities face in accessing the outdoors - in the main it talks about how there is poor public transport from town's and cities to non-urban areas, how green spaces in urban areas are not respected (dog fouling / rubbish etc) and that this is more pronounced in areas where there are more minorities. One of the suggested solutions to this is having some dog free spaces within urban green areas - I guess like most parks where there is children's play equipment.

The reports included feedback from people from different ethnic backgrounds who felt uncomfortable in rural areas due to a lack of understanding of their culture and religion as well.

The DM and Welsh Tories have hooked onto one quote from one black woman who said that dogs made her uncomfortable which was on of her personal barriers to accessing green spaces and used it to try and make the Welsh government sound like they are saying dogs are racist🙄

I'm not sure how me walking my dog in the countryside has anything to do with someone's religion or culture.

There's a park near me where I take my dogs to which has a field which is a dog free area which I think is a great idea, families can picnic there and play ball games without the worry of dogs. Nothing to do with culture or religion.

heartbroken22 · 15/11/2024 10:57

Not surprised judging by the amount of dog attacks randomly