Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying

[amIloud]

This case is just beyond the realms of horrifying,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl461xwg3do

This poor child.

Which cutures?

I think there's a lot of adults that don't even really see children as human. They kind of see them as things.

So they can inflict horrendous emotional abuse on them, or witness it, and not even think about the child's feelings.

My mother was horrifically abusive to my brother. She constantly emotionally abused him . She physically abused him.

As an adult he won't talk to her. She complained about it to me the other day . She said "your brother won't talk to me, I don't know why, I never did anything to him".

And I was sitting there looking at her. Never did anything to him! She abused him every day of her life.

I pointed out to her that she has screamed at him all the time - and she said oh well I wasn't well myself.

She didn't see any of what she did to him. She didnt see or care about all the damage that she did to him

It worries me he is saying this to get a reduced sentence and the step mother will get off

Just devastating and deplorable. I feel incredibly sorry for the jury - if I was sitting on it I'd be at home in floods of tears every night...

I've got plenty more thoughts but given Mumsnet's warning about contempt of court I'll leave it here

I think the jury will be given a lifetime of no further jury service ever, that happens in traumatic cases. The judge says it at the end when thanking them.

I don't believe him. I've read that the majority of the abuse happened when the "dad" was at work and they regularly heard the step "mum" screaming and shouting at Sara. Poor girl 😔

I think he did the things he said he did, but she did them too. He's trying to get the other kids staying with her. Which is not going to happen.

Poor Sara, it's so awful that so many adults failed her.

In terms of custody, this kind of thing happens all the time. When fathers are abusive and the mothers are trying to protect the children, the mothers get accused of parental alienation or manipulation etc and the abusive fathers get custody. The courts/SS etc are seemingly impressed by any father who claims to want to be more involved in their child's life (because the bar is so low) and when mothers object they are portrayed as controlling, unreasonable etc.

I know in the Sara case the mother was also failing, but I'm responding to all the posters who are shocked that an abusive father can get custody and carry on abusing. It happens a lot

To be worried for my daughter? http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5208095-to-be-worried-for-my-daughter

I think they were trying to establish who killed her and dad just now confessed. The other who will 100% have their reckoning in terms of serious child abuse.

It’s already been reported that Beinash was vulnerable when he met her, and a victim of honour based abuse - she basically grew up in a refuge and allegedly didn’t want to go back so did everything her husband told her to.

Legal action is currently underway to determine where the children will live. But it seems like the Pakistan government will eventually bow to pressure to deport them. They aren’t safe in Pakistan and won’t be safe with their birth families - the best thing for them would be to fostered / adopted.

Maybe he will rethink that when he gets slapped in prison

Human bite marks? Iron burns? Beaten with a bat? What kind of ‘punishment’ is this? My mind cannot comprehend doing this to someone, let alone a child. Disgusting

My mother was horrifically abusive to my brother. She constantly emotionally abused him . She physically abused him.
As an adult he won't talk to her. She complained about it to me the other day . She said "your brother won't talk to me, I don't know why, I never did anything to him".
And I was sitting there looking at her. Never did anything to him! She abused him every day of her life.

How can you bear to sit with her @Lisanoonan

Satanic.
This is such unmitigated evil- These scummy excuses for humanity need to never see freedom again.

The others involved should also be found guilty of murder. They at the very least knew potentially involved too. Isn’t it the case in gang stabbings that all present are treated as being responsible even if they didn’t deliver the killing blow? Shouldn’t this be treated in a similar way?

I've chosen to stay in contact with her. She's elderly too. And my dad is dead.

Sadly in my circles, my mothers behaviour is not that unusual either. It kind of becomes the "norm" a bit. So many people that i know, had really abusive parents. And these parents didnt all hang around each other and influence each other.
People that I have met much later on in life, have also told me that they had abusive parents.

One of my colleagues told me that her mother used to call her the ugliest child that she'd ever seen.

I don't know a lot of people who had really nice parents

He has retracted his confession again now.

I can never seem to link to X but CourtNewsUK has reported that he has changed his mind and "I wasn't thinking" and he was lying when he said he intended to cause her serious harm with a cricket bat.

He is pure evil .
That poor child .

Wtaf!! He's such a I don't know the words, he's so manipulative, my God I really hope this judge and jury see right through his behaviour.

They should all be locked up for a very long time.

And in the case of men in positions of religious authority it gives them access to victims and of course their status and power make it less likely that a victim will dare complain or be believed if they do so. I saw something on tv today about the C of E and the Catholic church just moving abusers onto another parish or diocese if allegations had been made

Trial is well covered here.. check yesterday
guildford-dragon.com/latest-evidence-in-sara-sharif-trial/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14078299/sara-sharif-father-sobs-beating-daughter-death-admits.html

Maybe he’s doing it on purpose to show he isn’t of sound mind or something. I’m not sure what his defence counsel are raising as mitigation.

I am sorry @Lisanoonan it is tragic how abuse was so commonplace, and remains so to such evil degrees as we speak.

Your mother is lucky you remain in her life.

I have also been privy to older relatives talk about their childhoods. So much cruelty, even if just in words. Unthinkable stuff to many of us.