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Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying

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amIloud · 13/11/2024 12:21

This case is just beyond the realms of horrifying,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl461xwg3do

This poor child.

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WillowTit · 11/12/2024 20:00

there was a woman on radio 4 talking about home education, any injuries the child have to go back to school, even for a short period
this will i imagine deter those from seeking help for injuries.

Nospringchix · 11/12/2024 20:09

Kaaardiffgalnow · 11/12/2024 18:42

I don't understand why England doesn't have the same law we have in Wales which means it's against the law to lay a hand on a child under any circumstances. Police could have arrested and prosecuted the stepmother and father as soon as there were reports of her being beaten.
Poor, poor child.

Totally agree, no ifs no buts. No excuses or grey areas.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 11/12/2024 20:09

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 11/12/2024 16:41

I read a quote from her former headteacher that made me cry. She sounded devastated. The school did what it could to report their concerns but, in that scenario, I think you'd be forever haunted by wondering if you could have done more.

I just can't get my head around how social services weren't all over it when Sara was withdrawn from school after her teachers flagged safeguarding concerns. It's incomprehensible that more wasn't done.

That poor, poor child.

My own view on this is that social services are overwhelmed with the number of trivial (and malicious) reports. It must take time, effort, manpower to simply work out priorities. It presumably cannot be as simple as school reports take priority. So the school did what they are required to do - report (and report again). There are separate reporting lines to education authorities when children are removed from school for home education, moving abroad, not known, etc - but that can be multiple weeks.

On this site the minute a neighbour's child screams, posters exhort reporting to social services or the woefully inept children's charities. And state in naive fake concern that better 1 child be saved than a 100 false reports (or similar). I don't agree - I never have done. Better to identify key risk factors and look at the reporting based on those. So this absolutely awful case has several risk factors even at a surface level: involvement of the (appallingly inept and ongoingly inept) family court, family conflict, prior allegations of abuse, cultural factors (including cultural but also language barriers), school safeguarding reports. There will be other risk factors that we are not aware of. To manage social services' limited resources key risk factors should be prioritised.

As you say poor, poor child. Just dreadful and I personally hold the family court in the highest disgrace.

Wimberry · 11/12/2024 20:11

I've worked as a social worker in these type of situations, and I'm a little surprised after reading the BBC story about the social work involvement. Usually I can see why there might not have been enough known evidence to prevent a child living with a parent. Returning a child from foster care to a parent with his history though is really really unusual. Typically if a parent is known to have assaulted a child and the child ends up in care that's enough to rule them out, especially for a child as young as Sara (as the younger they are the more vulnerable they are for these type of concerns) Occasionally we might have deemed another adult in the household to be a sufficient protective factor, but given his history of domestic abuse that doesn't seem likely either. I will be very interested to read the review if it's published.

Lifeomars · 11/12/2024 20:12

I watched ITV news' report on the case, the fact that the house was totally spotless, no sign that any children lived there is in my eyes a massive red flag, it honestly looked like a show home with no sign of human occupation let alone kids being around. The horror of Sara's life and brutal death was followed by a report of the appalling things that are being uncovered in Syria. I had to switch off, what on earth is wrong with so many so called human beings?

Lifeomars · 11/12/2024 20:16

TwigletsAndRadishes · 11/12/2024 16:56

It's sickening. Absolutely sickening. I can't even imagine why he'd want to take custody of her from her mother, if he cared so little for her that he could beat and torture the poor little mite to death over a prolonged period of time. The cynic in me says money. While she lived with her mother he had to pay some maintenance. She lived with him and she became a cash cow and a means to an end for a bigger house and more benefits. Like Victoria Climbie and so many others.

I'd very happily see him strung up and torn limb from limb. I hope he gets what's coming to him in prison.

not only money, but power and control

RooBarbRooBarbara · 11/12/2024 20:38

ARichtGoodDram · 11/12/2024 16:28

It’s horrendous that a child born into a family with so many issues that she was on social services radar before she was even born was failed in a such a way.

Social services and the court services should be facing criminal proceedings over their utter neglect of this little girl.

Couldn’t agree more.

AlexaSetATimer · 11/12/2024 22:14

Curtainqueen · 21/11/2024 18:02

Not sure if it’s already been said but the step mother was texting her sister for up to 2 years telling her what was happening to the child.The sister did nothing. Does that not make her also guilty of allowing the death of a child by keeping quiet?

Yes I find her attitude and lack of action horrific too. Evil.

Rocksaltrita · 11/12/2024 22:18

Still haunted after reading the original article but social services and every single person involved need to take a long hard look at themselves. Shocking that this could have been prevented YEARS ago.

AlexaSetATimer · 11/12/2024 22:43

NewGreenDuck · 11/12/2024 15:39

Father and stepmother found guilty of murder. Uncle guilty of causing or allowing the death of a child. I hope now justice is done. They should never be released. None of them.
RIP Sara.

Edited

Does anyone know what the sentencing guidelines are for "causing or allowing the death of a child" I know there's "bands" of sentences that the judges have to work within depending on the offence.

RooBarbRooBarbara · 11/12/2024 22:46

Rocksaltrita · 11/12/2024 22:18

Still haunted after reading the original article but social services and every single person involved need to take a long hard look at themselves. Shocking that this could have been prevented YEARS ago.

Indeed. And Sara would still be alive.

Paul2023 · 11/12/2024 22:47

The father and step mother will obviously get life following on from their conviction of murder, I only hope they get substantial sentences.
Im thinking they’ll both get 30 year minimum terms. Still doesn’t bring back that poor girl however.

murasaki · 11/12/2024 22:49

The woman talking on news night now is good, but i'm still waiting for a mention of the family court. They played a big part in this.

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 11/12/2024 22:51

Can't they be deported after they have served their 30 years?

bluewanda · 11/12/2024 22:58

Those fucking cunts. I hope they are tortured in jail. I have a child of similar age to Sara and I feel sick to my stomach reading about this case. Bring back the death penalty.

AlexaSetATimer · 11/12/2024 23:02

*6 days and case closed for injuries on a child who was on their radar before she was born and who’d been in care multiple times.

It is just staggering incompetence*

I agree. I'm going to write to my MP too to ask what they can do.

bluewanda · 11/12/2024 23:05

I am weeping and so, so angry. I hope they rot in hell.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 11/12/2024 23:05

socialdilemmawhattodo · 11/12/2024 20:09

My own view on this is that social services are overwhelmed with the number of trivial (and malicious) reports. It must take time, effort, manpower to simply work out priorities. It presumably cannot be as simple as school reports take priority. So the school did what they are required to do - report (and report again). There are separate reporting lines to education authorities when children are removed from school for home education, moving abroad, not known, etc - but that can be multiple weeks.

On this site the minute a neighbour's child screams, posters exhort reporting to social services or the woefully inept children's charities. And state in naive fake concern that better 1 child be saved than a 100 false reports (or similar). I don't agree - I never have done. Better to identify key risk factors and look at the reporting based on those. So this absolutely awful case has several risk factors even at a surface level: involvement of the (appallingly inept and ongoingly inept) family court, family conflict, prior allegations of abuse, cultural factors (including cultural but also language barriers), school safeguarding reports. There will be other risk factors that we are not aware of. To manage social services' limited resources key risk factors should be prioritised.

As you say poor, poor child. Just dreadful and I personally hold the family court in the highest disgrace.

I understand your point. You may be right. But on the other hand, several of the neighbours in this case heard stuff but didn't report it. Perhaps if they had done, the outcome might have been different. We won't ever know.

I don't think the public are always the best judges of whether or not there is serious cause for concern, so surely it would be better for people to report and let the experts decide.

We need to resource those services better, obviously. And we need to enhance data sharing and communication so that those with responsibility for the wellbeing of these children can join together all of the dots more easily. We need better systems for managing and triaging reports received from the public. And we clearly need to give better training to those who are making the assessments so that they can prioritise more effectively and intervene when needed.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 11/12/2024 23:06

And yes the family courts undoubtedly need to be held to account here.

bluewanda · 11/12/2024 23:09

Bunnycat101 · 11/12/2024 16:19

There is an account on the bbc that makes it clear social services let her down. I didn’t realise she’d previously been in care due to violence against her as a toddler. And yet when the school report bruising, they did nothing. It made me so upset to read the full history.

Fucking shame on them. Yet again social services have failed. I hate them. And I hate the evil bastards who murdered beautiful Sara with every fibre of my being.

Merryoldgoat · 11/12/2024 23:10

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves absolutely agree. The absolute disgrace of how they act with impunity and have no scrutiny.

I’ve never actually written to my MP but I am going to.

bluewanda · 11/12/2024 23:14

Meemeows · 11/12/2024 15:35

Yes. The family court is an abusers charter. Do a course, tick a box, boom then not abusive. Some foolish person who has every incentive to say yes. How many of these men “fail” the course?

You can’t fail except not to turn up. If you are a sadist who enjoys beating up little girls you will definitely turn up.

Someone, somewhere, is making a lot of money from these courses and a lot of children are let down. Some hurt or killed. It should stop.

It is a disgrace. Every time one of these horrific cases comes to light we are told "lessons will be learned". It is extremely obvious that the current social services system and family court system does not protect children. This is a proven fact. Yet no changes are made.

The idea that a "course" turn an abuser into an adequate parent is laughable. There is no evidence whatsoever to support this and plenty to the contrary.

Any instance of abuse should immediately mean that someone is prohibited from living in the same house as a child for the rest of their life. Children must be removed the first time it happens. Zero tolerance. Family courts are completely corrupt and repeatedly prioritise the "rights" of abusive adults over their victims, even when the victims are children.

The care systems in other countries such as Denmark show that with proper funding, stable staff in small children's homes so that children can recover properly and form bonds of trust with their new carers and access appropriate therapy and support, children in care can achieve the same average outcomes as those living with families, despite their trauma.

It is a choice in the UK not to do this and to continue to abandon endless children to abuse. We hear only about a tiny, tiny proportion of them. It is a shame on our country that we don't protect the most vulnerable members of society, and it is shameful that funding for functioning children's services never features anywhere in the top ten voter priorities reported in politicial polls. There is an outpouring when yet another entirely predictable incident is reported yet who is pressuring politicians to DO SOMETHING about it? It should be the highest priority in our funding list.

THIS. How can there be anything less than zero tolerance for child abuse. It’s despicable.

Enough4me · 11/12/2024 23:15

I hope the other children are OK, I don't think they've been brought back yet?

bluewanda · 11/12/2024 23:15

namechange1975 · 11/12/2024 15:38

Yes the school reported their concerns on many occasions but the council and social services didn't take it any further. Once she was being home schooled the school couldn't do anything it was upto social services who once again have let an innocent child die.

Ban home schooling.

bluewanda · 11/12/2024 23:16

ARichtGoodDram · 11/12/2024 16:28

It’s horrendous that a child born into a family with so many issues that she was on social services radar before she was even born was failed in a such a way.

Social services and the court services should be facing criminal proceedings over their utter neglect of this little girl.

Yes, I don’t know how they sleep at night. Sickening.

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