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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:13

thepariscrimefiles · 20/11/2024 14:17

I wonder how she will react to the news that her DH has bought his parents a flat a couple of tube stops away from them and that his mum and dad will be visiting her more often and she must change her behaviour!

Hark at all the outraged responses on here about the outcome! I bet they’re from mean DILs themselves.

The DIL doesn’t get to treat her husband’s mother and the children’s grandmother the way she has without a good explanation. DIL is acting like a passive-aggressive teen. OP isn’t a random mate that she can brush off; she’s family.

DIL has to state what her problem is or treat her husband’s parents better. If she has a good reason, fair enough. If not, she needs to cut it out.

CustardCreams2 · 20/11/2024 15:16

Reckon this might end in a split, with the OPs parents being bought a flat a few tube stops away from DIL. I thought OP was of the opinion that husband/wife/nuclear family comes first. To have a base that close by is far far too intrusive. DIL is Gna go nuts.

standardduck · 20/11/2024 15:18

@NoisyDenimShaker sounds like lots of projecting going on in your replies.

It is clear that DIL is not fond of OP for whatever reason (from some of OP's replies, I can guess why - e.g. calling DIL out on group chat when she didn't get an answer she expected). But she is not stopping OP from seeing her DGC. DH works a lot, so seeing MIL once a month when your DH is working a lot of weekends is not nothing.

Either way, she got what she wanted and will now be able to stay in their house while her DIL is told how to act by her DH. Ridiculous.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:21

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 14:35

They see them every month! They aren't kept away

Oh come on. Of course the dip in keeping them away

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:23

Apolloneuro · 20/11/2024 14:38

I was extremely sympathetic to the OP initially, but as time went by, it seemed as if it was more about ‘matriarchal’ expectancy than genuine concern. It was overwhelmingly the case that she wanted parity with the DIL’s family. This was unlikely given that the son works about 80% of the time, although I understand the wish.

The OP would have been sensible to have kept smiling, been grateful for the good amount she did see the grandchildren and cracked on. Things change over time.

It’s astonishingly difficult to see how this is going to end well for anybody. The DIL is independently wealthy. She can leave, and take the children, any time she likes.

Edited

She can’t just take the children any time she likes. They have a father who has rights as well

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:25

bzarda · 20/11/2024 14:25

You have caused tension in their marriage. You said earlier in the thread you taught your son to put his wife and children first and that was normal/natural - how is criticising her to multiple family members and telling her she needs to behave on visits putting her first as a husband? Similarly, a rental property would bring income into the household and support the children. You having a flat in London that sits empty the majority of the time takes money away from the children and supports your needs only.

I really feel for you all because your visit next weekend (and future subsequent visits) is going to be marred with tension. Even if your DIL is polite, you both know this is false and she's essentially been chastised and told off like a child. Why would you want interactions that you both know are false? Children are really intuitive and will pick up on this also, especially as they get older. I'm sure they will also pick up on the inevitable tension between mum and dad at home, which again you have caused!!

Sorry but I think you've been really selfish and caused a lot of harm.

She was told off like a child as she was acting like one. She wants her parents there and expects her husband to put put up with it so why can’t her husband expect the same?

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:30

Apolloneuro · 20/11/2024 15:04

Given you don’t know me from Adam, your very clear statements about what I’d do render your posts pointless.

ps, I took my grandchild to school this morning. Things in my family haven’t gone swimmingly all the time, but I’ve learnt that life isn’t fair and sometimes we have to be grateful for what we do have, rather than scheme to get what we want. Also that our needs aren’t always paramount.

You also don’t know the op or her dil either so does that render your points pointless as well?

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 15:31

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:13

Hark at all the outraged responses on here about the outcome! I bet they’re from mean DILs themselves.

The DIL doesn’t get to treat her husband’s mother and the children’s grandmother the way she has without a good explanation. DIL is acting like a passive-aggressive teen. OP isn’t a random mate that she can brush off; she’s family.

DIL has to state what her problem is or treat her husband’s parents better. If she has a good reason, fair enough. If not, she needs to cut it out.

Do you have children?

bzarda · 20/11/2024 15:32

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:25

She was told off like a child as she was acting like one. She wants her parents there and expects her husband to put put up with it so why can’t her husband expect the same?

Husband wasn't aware this was an issue and was presumably content with how often they all saw each other until the discussion with his mum - that's my point. It's a completely different situation if husband was unhappy with the family dynamics. I would argue he could choose to work less weekends and prioritise his family more if this is the case, but that's up to them as a couple.

Personally I don't think in a respectful relationship you lay down the law and tell each other off. You also don't unilaterally decide what to do with family funds without talking it through as a couple.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:39

bzarda · 20/11/2024 15:32

Husband wasn't aware this was an issue and was presumably content with how often they all saw each other until the discussion with his mum - that's my point. It's a completely different situation if husband was unhappy with the family dynamics. I would argue he could choose to work less weekends and prioritise his family more if this is the case, but that's up to them as a couple.

Personally I don't think in a respectful relationship you lay down the law and tell each other off. You also don't unilaterally decide what to do with family funds without talking it through as a couple.

the dil is unilaterally deciding that the in-laws aren’t welcome and the husband has every right to talk to his wife about this and her behaviour. If she has a problem with the in laws she has to discuss it with them with a view to resolving. One word answers is not the way to go

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:43

Wellingtonspie · 20/11/2024 14:09

I agree I expect the next updates will eventually include. Things like dil always at her mums maybe even next weekend. Then a divorce.

The fact he decided without even a word with his wife that money they where goi to do one thing will now be used to keep a flat empty for you, the fact she doesn’t like you overnight in the house and boom tough shit your over night next weekend.

There was no give and take here just a railroaded dil. Oh well. Good luck.

A railroaded DIL? That’s what happens when you exhibit bad behaviour. If DIL had either said what the problem was, or been kind to her husband’s parents if there was no problem, none of this would ever have happened.

I am glad that this is one DIL who hasn’t been allowed to get away with her attempts to split the family up, her own golden side on the one hand while her husband’s side gets treated like a beggars holding their bowl out for scraps.

OP is her husband’s family and her children’s GP. If there’s a problem, DIL needed to state what it is. If not, then behave well. But she can’t treat a family member like she has and create an atmosphere on visits.

standardduck · 20/11/2024 15:43

But DH had no issue with his DW's behaviour until his DM mentioned it over the dinner.

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 15:46

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 15:31

Do you have children?

It's fine if you don't but I think I've seen you say you don't on other threads about DILs, and you're so irate and invested.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:48

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 15:31

Do you have children?

No, but what’s that got to do with the price of fish? I have a brain and I know family dynamics. You’re not suddenly blessed with magical insights once you give birth, you know. I have had a difficult MIL who wouldn’t stop with the baby pressure and who would come to stay for extended visits, a useless husband, and a very close family member who excluded GPs to whom I was closely related. The mum’s behaviour in this case is very familiar to me. And I know exactly what my own MIL and useless ex would have been like if we’d had kids - which was a small contributing factor to the reason I said no to the whole shebang!

Also, if we’d had kids, I would have done everything I could to include her, because although I didn’t like her, she would have been my kids’ GP and it would have been the RIGHT thing to do. (She was pushy and overbearing, but not toxic or dangerous, and she had brought up four of her own.)

Why are we now a society that indulges all our basest instincts instead of doing the RIGHT thing? I thoroughly disapprove.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:50

standardduck · 20/11/2024 15:43

But DH had no issue with his DW's behaviour until his DM mentioned it over the dinner.

Well he obviously has an issue with it now

Oriunda · 20/11/2024 15:50

I was /am the DIL in this situation. Matriarchal MIL, from another culture/origin/religion to me, couldn't understand me and it all kicked off (from her side; I bit my tongue). Cue a family meeting without me, where DH was told by whole family how awful I was. To keep the peace, I was made to come back and sit with them all as if nothing had happened.

Years later, it still stings. I have no relationship with her beyond basic politeness. FIL gets it/gets me; we can get on fine. My child sees the difference in relationships and responds accordingly. MIL's just starting to click that should the worst happen, she won't see me for dust.

Enjoy your victory for now. I guarantee that it will be phyrric.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:54

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 15:46

It's fine if you don't but I think I've seen you say you don't on other threads about DILs, and you're so irate and invested.

I’m irate and invested? You’re easily scared!

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 20/11/2024 15:55

helpamilout · 20/11/2024 12:43

Sorry I’ve been quiet—things have been a bit busy with the family. Just wanted to share a quick update.

I had an honest chat with DS earlier this week about how I’ve been feeling. I was hesitant to bring it up because I didn’t want to cause tension in his marriage, but it had been weighing on me. DS was very apologetic (even though I don’t think it’s his fault) and admitted he’s been so focused on work that he hadn’t realized how much it’s been affecting us. He also spoke with his brother, who shares similar concerns about how DIL behaves around the family.

He’s had a conversation with DIL and told her how upset he’d be if her behavior led to his parents or siblings losing a relationship with the kids. To my surprise, he then suggested getting us a small flat in London for mine and DH’s big birthdays instead of the family trip he’d been planning, to stay at during visits. He had initially been planning to use the money for a rental property but felt this would be a better use given the current situation with DIL. The flat would ideally be just a few tube stops from their home, making it easy to visit for dinner or meet in the park, but without needing to stay at their house, which seems to be the issue for DIL. Whilst he can’t facilitate full days of visits for us due to work often, in his words at least it’s something he can do to ensure we have more contact with his kids. We’ve already started looking and have some viewings next week!

DS also promised that the tense atmosphere during visits will stop, from our next visit (we are visiting next weekend and invited to stay at their house since the flat is obviously not sorted yet) as he doesn’t want his children growing up associating our visits with tension or thinking it’s acceptable to treat their grandparents poorly just because their mother does.

Divorce incoming.

lola006 · 20/11/2024 15:55

All the people defending the OP are forgetting that we don’t have the DIL’s side of the story. It’s easy to come into a forum like this and say “I’m a good person, I don’t know why my DIL behaves like this!” and yet there could 1000 reasons why DIL doesn’t want her MIL in her house more than once per month. A flat now nearby?! Not going to end well.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 20/11/2024 15:57

Imagine planning to own a family rental and then MIL stomps her foot and that's suddenly gone and now they're Gona be a on a flat spending even more time around you.

Omg no. This is horrendous. I can see why DIL doesn't want you around.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:59

lola006 · 20/11/2024 15:55

All the people defending the OP are forgetting that we don’t have the DIL’s side of the story. It’s easy to come into a forum like this and say “I’m a good person, I don’t know why my DIL behaves like this!” and yet there could 1000 reasons why DIL doesn’t want her MIL in her house more than once per month. A flat now nearby?! Not going to end well.

Then DIL needs to say what it is. Tell her DH what the problem is or be nice.

I wish someone had railroaded my family member out of their appalling and deeply hurtful behaviour, for which there was no reason.

lola006 · 20/11/2024 16:03

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:59

Then DIL needs to say what it is. Tell her DH what the problem is or be nice.

I wish someone had railroaded my family member out of their appalling and deeply hurtful behaviour, for which there was no reason.

Sure but maybe she has and he isn’t fully listening. Maybe OP makes snarky under the breath comments about DIL and when DIL tells her DH he dismisses it as “oh that’s just her personality.” I’m just saying we have 1 side here.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 16:04

bzarda · 20/11/2024 14:25

You have caused tension in their marriage. You said earlier in the thread you taught your son to put his wife and children first and that was normal/natural - how is criticising her to multiple family members and telling her she needs to behave on visits putting her first as a husband? Similarly, a rental property would bring income into the household and support the children. You having a flat in London that sits empty the majority of the time takes money away from the children and supports your needs only.

I really feel for you all because your visit next weekend (and future subsequent visits) is going to be marred with tension. Even if your DIL is polite, you both know this is false and she's essentially been chastised and told off like a child. Why would you want interactions that you both know are false? Children are really intuitive and will pick up on this also, especially as they get older. I'm sure they will also pick up on the inevitable tension between mum and dad at home, which again you have caused!!

Sorry but I think you've been really selfish and caused a lot of harm.

DIL has been chastised like a child because she’s been acting like a child.

Shit or get off the pot. State your problem or keep a lid on your dislike.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 16:05

lola006 · 20/11/2024 16:03

Sure but maybe she has and he isn’t fully listening. Maybe OP makes snarky under the breath comments about DIL and when DIL tells her DH he dismisses it as “oh that’s just her personality.” I’m just saying we have 1 side here.

Now this is projecting

ScaryM0nster · 20/11/2024 16:05

thepariscrimefiles · 20/11/2024 14:17

I wonder how she will react to the news that her DH has bought his parents a flat a couple of tube stops away from them and that his mum and dad will be visiting her more often and she must change her behaviour!

DH might find himself in a position where he has to do some parenting……