I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

I think that's an astute observation.

Of course there would be far greater numbers applying for asylum if there were safe routes! If you're a person living under the kind of oppression and threat to life that millions across the world are, and you were given a chance to take sanctuary in another country via a safe route, why would you not take it? Wouldn't we all? I'll reiterate - how on earth would you decide whose life is worth more, seeing as we agree that you would have to cap the numbers as you couldn't save everyone?

@BoredZelda wins the stupid post prize with

Except the number of times those things are happening is statistically insignificant. How about focusing on the number of times a school girl isn't forced to share a room with a male

This isn't how safeguarding works you absolute prune. We keep all males out of all spaces where women and girls are vulnerable.

I mean how many women and girls are an acceptable "loss" to you? JFC!

and there is undoubtedly a common sense solution to the trans fight if both sides would just sit and talk to each other

@boredzelda what is this in your view?

Do women and girls have single sex spaces or not? There isn't a way to do get round that, what are you thinking of, third spaces?

Absolutely it is, when you condescend to tell those 72 million they were wrong, and infer that they are xenophobic, or worse.

Projecting your own fears, caprices and bias.

As I say, keep going - the UKs recent shift to the left was an anomaly.

How many women or girls have to miss out on a sporting place or medal for this to become 'significant'? I'd say one.
How do you know how many people have been affected by men pretending to be women in their spaces and sports?

Who the fuck turns round when a girl is forced to share with a male says 'ahh but think of how many girls HAVEN'T been affected by this’. That's sick.

This wilful 'it's a not problem for me' and deciding it's not a big problem for anyone else - on their behalf - is what the problem is.

Imagine telling someone who's been attacked by a (bog standard) man 'ah but there's been loads of women who haven't been attacked by a man'.

Christ almighty. Get in the bin.

@minionette
When the borders were opened to Polish people to come and live here, the government of the day expected a few tens of thousands.
About 2 million came.

Don't underestimate how many people from all over the world would like to come and live here, given a safe and legal route.
Lord knows, the numbers who would be 'eligible', because they are already living in war zones or being persecuted, must number the hundreds of millions.

Exactly, people need to be realistic when suggesting what to do

The man was found liable for sexual assault. A lot of people voted for him. The person above disagrees with them. What bias, fear or caprice do you see in that post?

as you've admitted yourself, there's no way to effectively police it

This is such a gross, dishonest misrepresentation of what I said that I can't believe it's not deliberate. I said clearly that we should have laws that help create the social expectation and to have a process to follow if someone ends up in there who shouldn't be. I did acknowledge that we can't 100% guarantee nobody will ever get away with it but that's true of every rule and law and I don't think you would say that means there's no way to be effective about it. Why is this one the only one not worth having because it won't be absolutely perfectly kept at all times, ever? Because it's the only one that establishes priority of women's rights over male wants?

But the flagrant dishonesty becomes more explicable once you see this:

I'd also argue that the strict two-sex, binary view of human identity, isn't something that has been in place throughout human history and only really took hold with the rise of monotheistic religions and only within those communities that adopted it.

Sex isn't an identity, it is a reproductive class and it doesn't change with how you feel about it. Nor did religions invent it. Religions may have imposed gender roles that are fluid, but that is entirely different from sex. Obviously you are trying to conflate the two, and then use this false premise to argue that sex is what's actually fluid right up until the point where a man wants in on a woman's space and then suddenly it's crystal clear that he should be let in.

I know you see this dishonesty. Everyone does. You are not fooling anyone, not even yourself.

Please allow the debate between me and the PP
to run its course.

Super post 👏👏

Seconded.

I thought so.

You really think that for centuries trans people were able to pass so well that no one ever noticed that they’re actually the opposite sex?

If you have a penis, you are potentially a rapist or pervert

"I'd also argue that the strict two-sex, binary view of human identity, isn't something that has been in place throughout human history"

You can argue it but you are wrong. There are two sexes, not 3, not 2.1, 2 only 2, always 2

There is no third sex. Trans people have not been around for thousands of years. In fact about 30.

Do you believe that the 10 million people who voted Labour in 2024 were wrong?

you are short sighted. That price is coming down and quickly. Generation costs are going down, not up.

The biggest issue on the left is only listening to issues many of the left deem as important. Many just do not seem to grasp that politics is not interesting to most people but what happens in their life day to day life and how their struggles can be eased is and they want to hear how politicians can make their life better and most importantly that politicians are listening to them

The demands to hear why people voted Trump are a prime example, listen to what the people were reporting why they voted Trump (mainly economy) they are not interested that Trump is a criminal etc he listened and responded to voters wanted to hear

This is nonsense. Trump didn't actually tell his voters how he would fix the economy. He told them what he would do, but not how it would fix the economy. Tariffs will cost the average US citizen more money. Tax cuts will be ineffective as he has no plans on how to fund it, so inflation will go up again. Deporting immigrants will also end up costing citizens more money. He said he was going to undo all of Biden's policies, even though it is clear those policies have already had an impact in reducing inflation, to the point where the US is doing much better than any other western nation who also experienced hyper inflation in the past few years. What he will do is take credit for that continuing fall over the next couple of years, then in his (hopefully) last two years as things start to go wrong economically, he will insist there is another reason for that.

Harris laid out costed, effective plans for how she would improve the lives of low and middle income families, by expanding tax credits and increasing the supply of housing. She would boost the economy by supporting small and medium sized businesses and encouraging more apprenticeships.

Harris would add 4t to the national debt, Trump would add 7.8t, with a huge amount of that going to the wealthiest in the US.

The reality is, the nuts and bolts of what the candidates were promising was not of interest to most Trump voters. To suggest Harris didn't listen to voters about the things that affected their daily lives and make proposals to fix it, is clearly wrong. They thought he was a stronger leader, he was the change candidate, and his campaign was really effective in hyping up how bad things had been and dampening down any idea that things are improving. Just like every other democracy has seen a change in leaders since the inflation crisis, so has the US.

We also shouldn't overlook how strong the "a woman can't be president" vibe is in the US.

You're not allowed to think people are wrong - it's Orwellian.

Single sex spaces were in fact enforced so well that now the call is for trans people to enter the ones of their choosing. If they're so ineffective, how do you even know which one you want to go in? How are they in any way a validation? If sex is so nebulous and single sex spaces are so impossible to recognise?

The ridiculousness is endless.

You want a unisex space or service, have one, it's fine. And leave the rest of us to have our legal and acceptable single sex spaces and services. If you're not using them, you don't have to worry about how we'll recognise the penises. Just stop trying to delegitimise our right to have a space that safeguards women's safety and equal opportunity just because it doesn't align with your fantasy. You surely know what it's called when you don't allow anyone to express a view that you don't like.

I'd also argue that the strict two-sex, binary view of human identity, isn't something that has been in place throughout human history and only really took hold with the rise of monotheistic religions and only within those communities that adopted it.

You are mixing up gender and sex as sex is fixed and binary, unless you think there are more than two sexes?

it's a fact that if you. provided safe legal routes from the whole planet to the UK we would get tens of millions and the country as it is would be wiped out.

300,000 percent !

We also shouldn't overlook how strong the "a woman can't be president" vibe is in the US.

How strong is it? I didn’t hear her biological sex being an issue ….

IMO Harris NOT a good candidate for many many reasons …. That have nothing to do with her pronouns.