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DS made racist comment at school

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 11:31

I have a DS age 7 who has ASD and he struggles quite a bit socially.

I am utterly appalled and ashamed by what I have heard this morning. This wasn't any thing directly to me or by the teacher.

DS apparently made a comment to a girl in his class saying he "didn't want to play with her as she has brown skin". This apparently blown up in a private group chat on WhatsApp that I was not aware of. I hadn't had any communications from teachers or other parents, so I was confused.

His best friend at school is a Muslim boy and his granny is Brazilian. He has grown up around different skin colours from a baby. We have had a serious conversation today in which I have told him he must apologise to this girl tomorrow.

However, I am also angry that this has been put on a WhatsApp group before anybody has even spoken to me, I assume the teachers aren't even aware. Of course, this has caused outrage in the group chat (and rightly so!) but I can't help but feel this was wrongly handled by the other parent as this is a group of 7 year old children and issues like this can escalate very quickly.

How do I handle this moving forward? Do I request a meeting with the head teacher and make them aware of the incident etc?

I feel really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard.

Btw, I'm not in the group chat - screenshots were sent to me by another parent.

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ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 19:44

ParentsTrapped · 11/11/2024 19:05

I haven’t read the full thread but my DS (NT) did something similar at 5. We had a group of kids round to play and he and some of his boy mates closed his bedroom door and shouted “no girls allowed”. The girls were outside trying to get in. Then their black, male friend joined the girls so DS said “no girls and no one with brown skin allowed in”.

It was obviously very bad behaviour - I was absolutely mortified and you can bet I clamped down on it immediately but at 5 and growing up in a multicultural society DS actually had no idea of the racist context. He was absolutely making a cruel distinction but if it had been a white child he would have chosen something else to differentiate him - it wasn’t based on any preconceived ideas about race any more than excluding the girls showed he was sexist.

It was actually a really good opportunity to talk to him about race and racism. We bought lots of books and have had several discussions about it at length since. At 6.5 he would never make a comment like that now, but if the incident hadn’t happened perhaps I wouldn’t have realised I needed to be so proactive in having these discussions.

I agree that's what it's all about teaching children how to behave through stories not chastising them. It's not the end of the world another poster said it it's how you respond. Children should be brought up not dragged.

Hagpie · 11/11/2024 19:45

Talk to the mum about how seriously you are taking this. I am 31 and grew up in an area where 29/30 kids in my class were Asian. When I was 8 my best friends said they wouldn’t play with me because “your skin is dirty.” The child’s mum would have had memories like that and I would be frothing at the mouth.

Gently, autism is irrelevant here; you’re just trying to make yourself feel better. In fact, they often have a stronger sense of social justice than most people. Everything you’ve said is really about you and how you feel.

getthosetitsup · 11/11/2024 19:52

HermoinePotter · 11/11/2024 11:19

They are also sending out communications about acceptable chat in WhatsApp over any bullying allegations and talk of individual pupils

The school cannot control anything said on Watsapp chats between parents nor can they say what’s “acceptable”, they simply do not have the power to do that. Why they even suggested doing this is ridiculous. Parents will always have Watsapp groups, they will always gossip and there’s nothing the school can do to stop that.

They can't police it, but they can make their views on this practice very clear. It might just make one or two people take a look at how they conduct themselves. Some people do embrace personal growth and learn to do better next time.

The school have said what the OP's son said was not malicious, but this WA chat certainly seems to have taken a malicious turn. They have basically tried a 7yo on their virtual kangaroo court and found him guilty. That is not okay.

croydon15 · 11/11/2024 19:57

Now that you had the explanation from your DS.go and explain what he actually said to the school teacher, he was being curious not racist, he is only 7 and has to deal with bullying at school.
The WA group are totally out of order.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 19:58

MisunderstoodWitch · 11/11/2024 18:32

Sorry, I haven't read to the end and I hope you have got this sorted for both your child and the little girl today.
I am a TA and have also had a child in the same school. Please do bring up any comments she has made, she should know better. She needs to keep her thoughts to herself, it's a student of the school and our contracts cover heavily what is and isn't appropriate behaviour for members of staff, regardless of them being a parent too.

what do you mean the same school?

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axolotlfloof · 11/11/2024 20:05

This isn't racism.
He isn't prejudiced he just said something socially unacceptable.
You are punishing him for his Autism and inability to express himself.
He doesn't need to apologise.
The parents labelling a tiny kid a racist should be apologising.

NoahsTortoise · 11/11/2024 20:09

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 19:58

what do you mean the same school?

She works at the same school her child attends, surely?

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:09

croydon15 · 11/11/2024 19:57

Now that you had the explanation from your DS.go and explain what he actually said to the school teacher, he was being curious not racist, he is only 7 and has to deal with bullying at school.
The WA group are totally out of order.

Luckily, the school have said they witnessed what he said and determined it was not malicious. He was spoken to, and the boy he said it to is his best friend, they played again a few minutes later.

The WhatsApp group are completely untrue with who the person was, and the comment that was made. This was all tales sent home to parents from children who had heard and made their own story of the event.

I reached out to the boy in questions parents, as DS and this boy are good friends and this boy also has SEN. They told me they understood and it was quote alright and their son was not affected and really valued DS friendship. They told me not to worry, and that is was absolutely fine.

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ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:09

NoahsTortoise · 11/11/2024 20:09

She works at the same school her child attends, surely?

Sorry I misread- I get it now (sleep deprived!)

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SandyY2K · 11/11/2024 20:09

A similar comment was mage to my daughter when she was in year 2. The comment was " I'm only inviting white people to my birthday party" I'm black, as is my daughter.

She's 24 now and doesn't remember the comment. I do.

She told me about it and I didn't bother reporting it. I talked my daughter through it. On hindsight, I probably should have said something to the school.

I wouldn't have started a group chat about it. I did tell another black mum about it. I was more about teaching my daughter people like this child are ignorant. When you face so much racism in life, these comments aren't surprising. It does make me wonder where it comes from, as kids aren't usually born this way.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:13

SandyY2K · 11/11/2024 20:09

A similar comment was mage to my daughter when she was in year 2. The comment was " I'm only inviting white people to my birthday party" I'm black, as is my daughter.

She's 24 now and doesn't remember the comment. I do.

She told me about it and I didn't bother reporting it. I talked my daughter through it. On hindsight, I probably should have said something to the school.

I wouldn't have started a group chat about it. I did tell another black mum about it. I was more about teaching my daughter people like this child are ignorant. When you face so much racism in life, these comments aren't surprising. It does make me wonder where it comes from, as kids aren't usually born this way.

Absolutely I would have reported it - most parents would like to know if their child has said something inappropriate so it can be addressed at home. I wasn't in this case and in your case, no point in dwelling and it hasn't had any lasting affect on your child (thank goodness!)

It must have been awful at the time for you though - I couldnt even imagine how you would have felt with such a comment being made to your child

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MisunderstoodWitch · 11/11/2024 20:14

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 19:58

what do you mean the same school?

Sorry, wasn't clear. My ds attended the same school that I work at. I had to always be careful about what I said or did. Doesn't sound like the classroom assistant at your school with a child in your ds class has been.

ParentsTrapped · 11/11/2024 20:20

surreygirl1987 · 11/11/2024 19:12

Interesting - this raises the important point about sexism being ignored. My own little boy sometimes says he doesn't like girls or no girls allowed. Nobody starts a witch hunt for that. I'm not saying sexism is the same as racism but for thr posters who are out to crucify the little boy in question, I wonder if their little darling has ever made a sexist comment like that.

Actually my point is that DS wasn’t actually being racist or sexist.

He doesn’t/didn’t believe that boys are better than girls. If all those outside the door had been wearing green he would have shouted “no green clothes allowed”. He was a 5yo adopting a very crude and socially unacceptable means of putting people into groups in the context of a silly game.

Of course I also explained to him why both comments were unacceptable and I hope he wouldn’t do this now, either.

I do agree with you though that boys saying they don’t want to play with girls and vice versa is very common and I don’t see it being criticised often.

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:26

well then they are immature and not doing their own child any favours.

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:32

CatalinaLoo · 10/11/2024 14:12

How about sorry for a little girl who’s had her first taste of racism at the grand old age of 7.

lol, ok. She's already said she was appalled and spoke to him. How about you rein it in a little. He is also 7 and grown ass adults are bitching about him in a Whatsapp group. You'd be in there like a shot, I can tell. You live for it.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:37

MisunderstoodWitch · 11/11/2024 20:14

Sorry, wasn't clear. My ds attended the same school that I work at. I had to always be careful about what I said or did. Doesn't sound like the classroom assistant at your school with a child in your ds class has been.

That's ok - I only realised once I re-read 🤣

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tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:37

Replies from harridans on this post lol....
There is absolutely nothing wrong with children curiously asking about skin colour and if people think there is, that is them projecting their own insecurities and experiences through their own lens. It ain't about you. Narcissists aplenty on this site.

Golaz · 11/11/2024 20:37

I'm not saying sexism is the same as racism

why isn’t sexism the same as racism? Why do we correctly recognise that one is profoundly wrong and just tolerate/ laugh about the other ?

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:39

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:32

lol, ok. She's already said she was appalled and spoke to him. How about you rein it in a little. He is also 7 and grown ass adults are bitching about him in a Whatsapp group. You'd be in there like a shot, I can tell. You live for it.

I would also like to know how others would have handled it

Effectively, I have punished my child for an incident that didn't even occur with the child in question. But anyhow, he was educated and spoken to on racial matters, did an apology card and he didn't get to go swimming etc that day.

How else do you "punish" a 7 year old?

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tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:45

As your son did nothing wrong, you need to tell him you were wrong for punishing him. I cannot believe that adults made such a pigs ear of this situation.

Matronic6 · 11/11/2024 20:49

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 19:24

Yet the school has admitted to the op that there is a problem with other kids talking about skin colour. They should have brought it up so op had the chance to talk to her son and guide him. They are 7 now and then 8,9, 10 and so on. The hard work starts now on making sure our little people grow up to be civilised individuals.

OP's son isn't accountable for what the other kids were saying, he can only be held to account for his own actions. Clearly the school felt whatever was said was so inconsequential and minor there was nothing to report therefore nothing to talk to him about or guide him on.

Sounds like the school are doing the right thing by addressing it in school through lessons and putting out guidance on the dangers of dealing with incidents in school via Whatsapp.

wonderingwhatlifemeans · 11/11/2024 20:50

@ellie09 I would maybe do work with him on how changes are not a bad thing. I posted earlier about a similar reaction my niece has to spots. My sister is doing lots of social stories and science work about the changes puberty will bring. You do have a while but they will start learning about it in school.

We have books we use in our book corners so the children are used to seeing them all year round. This is just one example and others may know better ones.

DS made racist comment at school
tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:53

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:39

I would also like to know how others would have handled it

Effectively, I have punished my child for an incident that didn't even occur with the child in question. But anyhow, he was educated and spoken to on racial matters, did an apology card and he didn't get to go swimming etc that day.

How else do you "punish" a 7 year old?

I would have told others in the group to grow the F up and pack it in until the facts from the school were known. I also wouldn't indulge my kid who says something controversial about another kid until I had the facts. But then, I am not a childish gossip.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 21:04

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:53

I would have told others in the group to grow the F up and pack it in until the facts from the school were known. I also wouldn't indulge my kid who says something controversial about another kid until I had the facts. But then, I am not a childish gossip.

Unfortunately, I wasn't a member of th3 group to tell them. Then nobody would add me once the comment was made

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GoldsolesLugs · 11/11/2024 21:06

So much apologia on this thread. Attitudes really coming out!

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