16 month old assaulted should i have expected more support from the police?

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Feeling shaken up tonight a drunk person hit me, pushed my 3 year old over and my 16 month old who was in his pram she pushed the pram over i couldn't do anything to stop it happening. He did hit his head on the floor.

We have spent four hours at hospital who have said they don't think he has any significant head injuries. He has pre existing conditions that mean any head injuries have to be seen in a&e as he has false signs already for a bleed in brain etc so signs to look for concern are already there on him. At five months old he had an emergency mri with drs thinking he had a bleed on the brain.

This was at a family event. The attack was by a completely unknown person who doesn't live in the village. It took the police 33 minutes to attend. The dispatcher said they were coming from the local station 4 minutes away. By this point the woman had now disappeared. She had made further threats of harm - she had told people apparently we were pushing in and that's why she turned around and hit me then went for my children. We were in fact trying to find my son's friend who had walked off and with 400 people there it was difficult to see. The organisers were in the main area where we were heading to ask for assistance.

I don't know if i'm in the wrong but i feel very let down by the police not attending until too late, they said that they would have no chance of trying to find the person now and would only look if someone had significant injury. To me this is clearly a very volatile person and this happened to us they could well do this again. They said they would call in a few days time to check the child has no further injuries. My other child was literally telling the police that he had been pushed over by a lady and that she had chucked a drink at him. Police response we don't need or want to speak to the child.

Or is this now what society has turned into and is it normal to go to family events and have aggressive people / drunk people at 6pm in the evening.

But in those early days way before he was convicted, what if people said they don’t believe your version of events?

And you say nobody needs to prove anything to you, but clearly they do in order for you to believe them. And instead of just leaving the thread, you’ve called this thread a witch hunt because other people believe OP and they’re upset and angry for her. You’ve pulled down her version events and then you’ve also made up a new scenario where the two women had a scrap and sent the two children flying.
As I said, I’m sure this attitude is very helpful towards OP and other victims.

Actually you've just completely made up an entire series of events right there, twisting everything that has actually been said which is exactly why everyone should be very careful believing anything they read on the Internet. It's very easy to do and it's dangerous.

At no point have I said I don't believe the OP. What I actually said is there could be more to this story and, when pressed, i said i don't just blindly believe everything written by strangers on the Internet without question.

I also didn't say it was a witch hunt, what I said was this thread is an example of 'pack mentality' on MN which reminded me of the witch trials in the middle ages where one person could say anything they wanted to and it would automatically be believed.

I haven't pulled down the OP's version of events at all. I've been quite clear that I wasn't there and have no idea what did or didn't happen. I don't know if the OP is the victim or not and neither do you. You might not think that attitude is helpful (irl) but neither is yours.

I also haven't made up a new version of events. I tried to offer a different potential scenario to give some perspective to someone extremely closed minded claiming to know all the 'facts' about exactly what happened despite not actually having a clue.

What I have been is pretty respectful in my responses to you and our different way of thinking however I haven't experienced the same in return.

I also didn't say it was a witch hunt, what I said was this thread is an example of 'pack mentality' on MN which reminded me of the witch trials in the middle ages where one person could say anything they wanted to and it would automatically be believed.

What exactly do you want people to say? Would it have been better if everyone said something along the lines of “Nah, bet there’s more to this.” etc?
If so then it might as well be the case on every thread where someone posts about something horrible that has happened to them. What a nasty unsupportive place this site would be.

Are you new to the Internet?
Have you never entered into a healthy debate or discussion with different points of view? Have you never questioned anything you've read? Have you never come across a situation where there may be more than one side to a story? It's just so naive.

The OP has had plenty of sympathy and practical advice on here (by myself included, I actually recommended she complain about the Police response time). But I stand by my statement that I think there may be more to this story based on what I've read.... you don't agree with me and that's OK!

I read the entire thread with an open mind and saw a lot of assumptions and really quite nasty name calling aimed at some anonymous female who isn't here to give her own side of the story. That's a pack mentality right there and it doesn't sit right with me.

I would post or get a friend to post on the events social media appealing for photos of the woman. I can't believe no-one standing by thought to take one.
And I would ALWAYS intervene if I saw a woman or child being attacked. And have done.

You absolutely haven’t had your posts deleted for simply saying there’s more than meets the eye. They’re deleted for breaking talk guidelines based on respect for other posters and their points of view.

Thank you for the people who have been supportive my eldest hasn't mentioned anything when i picked him up after work today.

The organisers of the event and the local council have been emailed by my mum today as there should never have been so many people in a small area that's not meant for this. My village is a mixture of young families and people who have lived there for 40 plus years. I was born in the village and nearly everyone knows everyone houses don't come up for sale often maybe once every 5/6 years. The people who were there were not locals only knew one person who witnessed it and they had four children under 8. It was literally seconds that's how quick it happened. Still to an extent in shock but had to focus on work.

Ah, so was it you who reported them?

That was actually exactly what I said.....plus a bit about the UK allowing people to be innocent till proven guilty (imagine!) and a couple of mentions of their normally being 3 sides to every story (the horror!)...... no personal attack on anyone, no disrespect to any other posters.... I've never said I don't believe the OP or think she is lying. I've simply said 'I don't know either way'

But it's very clear it only works one way this 'respect for other posters and their points of view"?
Did you respect my point of view? Did you show respect to me as another poster? No, you did not, at all.

Maybe I should start reporting a load of posts too? Except that I wouldn't, ever, because I actually value freedom of speech, healthy discussion and have no problem with people expressing a different view to my own.

The lynch mob wanting to smash the skull of an unknown person who may or may not have done something terrible but who's already been tried and convicted by MN posters...well that's a whole other ballgame isn't it.

It's in the next town but very close and yes it's one of the few still open 7 days a week with officers in. Unlike the city 40 mins away with no station. There's been talk over years of it closing but never has.

So sorry this happened to you. You need to put in a complaint. She could kill the next baby she pushes over. I'm so shocked the police aren't taking this seriously. The response time is awful too, a lot could have happened in that time, however, if they physically weren't able to get there sooner that can't be helped by the officers but the response afterwards is something that can be controlled.

Maybe some people don’t want their trauma “debated” about. I’ve had my fair share of healthy debates over the years, but this ain’t the thread. I know what my limits are. I fully believe OP’s version so no I don’t feel the need to question her about it. And it seems plenty more people feel the same way.

For my son any injury to his head is a straight to hospital mri based response. He also has other conditions which means he's at risk more than a normal baby that age. I've already once had to see him be resuscitate in his earlier days.

So for him this was actually the potential to be that and i was too scared to be attacked and couldn't get out without police and ambulance service also wouldn't have been able to get through.

And that's great that you feel that way.
Enjoy your evening

Really? You would escalate the violence with some unknown person who could be seriously unhinged and carrying a weapon. You would cause your children further trauma by continuing the violence rather than get them to safety?

Yes exactly that! Some drunken crackhead couldn't be too difficult to hold down surely?

Aw I’m glad your eldest seemed to be distracted away from it and seemed ok. How’s your littlest doing? And how are you?? I hope this all gets resolved and the woman who did this to you all is found. And just for the record OP… I believe you. Xx

You too. 👍🏻

You would have chosen to escalate violence around your young children rather than check they were ok? If so, that would be incredibly stupid.

OP, I'm sorry for what happened to you and your children, it must have been very frightening. I'd absolutely complain about the response from the police.

Well next time you’re out with your family and a ‘drunken crackhead’ who has just assaulted 3 people turns up, I hope you don’t mind restraining them for 30 minutes. Can’t be that hard.

Nope. Sorry, wasn’t me. If l had access to the Hubble telescope with which to examine some of the ridiculous viewpoints you’ve expressed while trying to derail the OP’s thread with your ‘pack mentality’ shite, l still couldn’t find enough to interest me enough to be bothered to report it. When you read all of your posts together it really isn’t clear why you’re on MN at all, because you clearly don’t agree or align with the fundamental principles on which it’s based.

Go write your fan fiction somewhere else 😢

Don’t know, when’s the last time someone’s restrained you?

Ah good morning to you, you're back 😊

I agree, this has derailed the OP's thread somewhat but only because what started as me making a one sentence comment expressing my own personal thoughts on an open forum quickly disintegrated into multiple attacks about why my personal opinion is wrong, accusations of trolling and how I'm disrespectful and how dare I hold any opinions that differ from the pack, how my viewpoints are 'ridiculous' etc etc. I've had my word twisted, had other words put into my mouth that i haven't even said, been accused of all sorts and had people jump down my throat repeatedly simply for holding a different point of view to their own.

I'm allowed to defend my views which I have done but every time I have, there are a couple of you that can't help repeatedly coming back for more instead of accepting that people can have different views and that's OK, and just agreeing to disagree! I've said over and over again that others might not think the same way I do and that's OK, you should ask yourself why are you so incapable of doing the same? You have dragged this on and on.

It's nothing short of online bullying and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.... and before you come back with counter accusations of me bullying the OP or anyone else I have absolutely not done that at any point. Yes. I have asked questions because I don't just blindly believe everything I read on the Internet, but I've been respectful with it. I don't know the OP, I have no personal vendetta towards anyone, i wasn't there and I have no idea what did or didn't happen.

Nothing i say will make a difference anyway though as your mind is completely closed off to any other view. Please feel free to come back and have the last word now and 'do your worst' because I'm off and unfollowing the thread. I won't read it and I won't reply.

Have a great day 👋

TruthAndTrust
Op hope you are feeling a bit better.
Not the issue being discussed I'm amazed that the village has a police station especially one manned on Saturday night

It's in the next town but very close and yes it's one of the few still open 7 days a week with officers in. Unlike the city 40 mins away with no station. There's been talk over years of it closing but never has.

So if the police station isn't in your village and has to come from the next town it seems like it was the dispatcher who is at fault for initially telling you the police were coming from the station and they would take 4 minutes. If they were coming from the next town then 30 minutes seems more understandable.

Hope you got the police officers name and badge number and make an official complaint.Also, once you get the hospital bill send it to the police to pay as it’s the least they can do for being so lazy.