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16 month old assaulted should i have expected more support from the police?

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Absc · 10/11/2024 00:56

Feeling shaken up tonight a drunk person hit me, pushed my 3 year old over and my 16 month old who was in his pram she pushed the pram over i couldn't do anything to stop it happening. He did hit his head on the floor.

We have spent four hours at hospital who have said they don't think he has any significant head injuries. He has pre existing conditions that mean any head injuries have to be seen in a&e as he has false signs already for a bleed in brain etc so signs to look for concern are already there on him. At five months old he had an emergency mri with drs thinking he had a bleed on the brain.

This was at a family event. The attack was by a completely unknown person who doesn't live in the village. It took the police 33 minutes to attend. The dispatcher said they were coming from the local station 4 minutes away. By this point the woman had now disappeared. She had made further threats of harm - she had told people apparently we were pushing in and that's why she turned around and hit me then went for my children. We were in fact trying to find my son's friend who had walked off and with 400 people there it was difficult to see. The organisers were in the main area where we were heading to ask for assistance.

I don't know if i'm in the wrong but i feel very let down by the police not attending until too late, they said that they would have no chance of trying to find the person now and would only look if someone had significant injury. To me this is clearly a very volatile person and this happened to us they could well do this again. They said they would call in a few days time to check the child has no further injuries. My other child was literally telling the police that he had been pushed over by a lady and that she had chucked a drink at him. Police response we don't need or want to speak to the child.

Or is this now what society has turned into and is it normal to go to family events and have aggressive people / drunk people at 6pm in the evening.

OP posts:
Maddy70 · 10/11/2024 08:31

400 people, no one intervened or took videos or photos .... this would be all over social media...

Datafan55 · 10/11/2024 08:32

sel2223 · 10/11/2024 08:27

You mean like why it hasn't made the news?

Why hasn't it made the news?
Why hasn't it been shared far and wide across social media?
Why wouldn't a single one of the 400 other guests step in to intervene if a child and baby were being assaulted?
How come it was a family event but nobody knows who this woman is?
How come the police sound so reluctant to try and find this crazy psychopath gatecrashing random events and assaulting babies?

Reading the original post it all sounds very traumatic and, if that's what happened then it's truly awful. but I'm not naive, we are getting one side of a story here.

Edited

Stop trolling and have some compassion.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 10/11/2024 08:33

I’m not surprised you’re in shock, what a vile way for someone to behave.
Only things I can suggest when you’re feeling up to it: contact the organisers , any CCTV in the venue? Or can they ask on SM if anyone took film or photos of the woman?
Also contact your MP re the police response. Google who is my MP, put in your postcode and it’ll give you their contact details.

Hope you and your dc are ok.

Wherethewildthingsfart · 10/11/2024 08:33

Surely someone knew her?

sel2223 · 10/11/2024 08:34

Datafan55 · 10/11/2024 08:32

Stop trolling and have some compassion.

Such a lazy response to resort to the 'troll' accusation because not everyone automatically takes everything they read on an anonymous Internet forum as gospel.
Grow up.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/11/2024 08:35

sel2223 · 10/11/2024 08:27

You mean like why it hasn't made the news?

Why hasn't it made the news?
Why hasn't it been shared far and wide across social media?
Why wouldn't a single one of the 400 other guests step in to intervene if a child and baby were being assaulted?
How come it was a family event but nobody knows who this woman is?
How come the police sound so reluctant to try and find this crazy psychopath gatecrashing random events and assaulting babies?

Reading the original post it all sounds very traumatic and, if that's what happened then it's truly awful. but I'm not naive, we are getting one side of a story here.

Edited

Why would it make the news if no-one was significantly injured ? The OP said it was a family event - given the time of year l took that to mean family type event - think firework display. So, crowded and in the dark, and clearly the organisers hadn’t put adequate security in place. And the police aren’t ‘reluctant’, just under resourced. No one was suggesting the perpetrator was a dangerous psychopath, just someone who was drunk and out of control.

listsandbudgets · 10/11/2024 08:36

FedupMum2024 · 10/11/2024 02:03

If anybody, man or woman, drunk or sober, had deliberately pushed my pram over with my 16 month old baby in it there would have been no need for police attendance,
I would have personally dealt with them myself in the most illegal way possible.
this would have been instinctive I am afraid.
I just cannot believe that you and all the other onlookers allowed this vicious evil animal to just walk away from this.

Maybe... just Maybe OP was rather busy attending to the needs of 2 small children who had just been assaulted having herself been assaulted. My instinct would be to make sure children were OK and safe.

Why other people around did nothing is a more important question because you can be sure if I saw someone behaving like that towards a child I wouldn't be standing by my fury would know no bounds

herecomesautumn · 10/11/2024 08:38

FedupMum2024 · 10/11/2024 02:03

If anybody, man or woman, drunk or sober, had deliberately pushed my pram over with my 16 month old baby in it there would have been no need for police attendance,
I would have personally dealt with them myself in the most illegal way possible.
this would have been instinctive I am afraid.
I just cannot believe that you and all the other onlookers allowed this vicious evil animal to just walk away from this.

Would you?

fourelementary · 10/11/2024 08:38

@Absc What a shock for you all- I hope your wee one makes a full recovery with no after effects.
I definitely think you go to social media asking for anyone taking videos to see if this woman is in any of them- or indeed the incident itself. I doubt cctv would be much use with such a large turnout but you could give a description of the woman in case it twigs anyone’s memory.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/11/2024 08:38

Artistbythewater · 10/11/2024 06:38

Op use your mental health training to explain to your child that the lady isn’t very well and needs help. That almost certainly she didn’t mean to harm anyone. He is going to need lots of reassurance. It will have shaken his view of the world.
Why did you send him to gps? Surely he would have wanted to stay close to your after this?

Why would the OP take a three year old to A&E with her when she could leave him with grandparents in a much quieter environment ?

fourelementary · 10/11/2024 08:39

Oh but sorry I don’t think the police could do much more tbh- even a quicker response wouldn’t have helped much as the woman left. So how were they to find her?

Smartiepants79 · 10/11/2024 08:39

Sneezeless · 10/11/2024 05:32

So no-one intervened? Not one person at a seemingly crowded event?

Would you? Really?? Get involved in a violent altercation with a drunk???
I’ve been randomly attacked by a drunk woman. She head butted me. We were all so shocked that nobody really moved! She was taken and chucked out the pub eventually but we didn’t even call the police.

RedeemingCreature · 10/11/2024 08:41

I’d put something on social media and contact your local newspaper to try to identify this woman. She needs to be found and dealt with by the police. What a an absolute nutter!

herecomesautumn · 10/11/2024 08:42

Gman0206 · 10/11/2024 06:17

I'm sorry buy why didn't you cave that person's head in? You don't wait for the police to come and sort of conflicts. The police in this country are severely understaffed and seriously struggling to recruit, the force is pretty much running on fumes running to and from the same wife beaters and junkies who cause issues all the time. That woman got away with hurting your baby and child, you would have got away with defending them too.

Another one.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/11/2024 08:42

Maddy70 · 10/11/2024 08:31

400 people, no one intervened or took videos or photos .... this would be all over social media...

Depends on how quickly it happened doesn’t it ? Sounds like a firework display to me. So crowded, dark and with lots of distractions - not to mention people there with their own kids.

sel2223 · 10/11/2024 08:43

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CaptainMyCaptain · 10/11/2024 08:44

FedupMum2024 · 10/11/2024 02:03

If anybody, man or woman, drunk or sober, had deliberately pushed my pram over with my 16 month old baby in it there would have been no need for police attendance,
I would have personally dealt with them myself in the most illegal way possible.
this would have been instinctive I am afraid.
I just cannot believe that you and all the other onlookers allowed this vicious evil animal to just walk away from this.

Yeah right! You realise they would have come for you then?

Stupid post.

Yalta · 10/11/2024 08:47

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/11/2024 08:44

Yeah right! You realise they would have come for you then?

Stupid post.

Edited

Would they?

At this point if you got rid of the body I very much doubt it

Oreyt · 10/11/2024 08:49

It sounds very traumatic and I really feel for you.

But when you call the police it is given a grading and unfortunately loss of life and crimes in action trump anything else.

I hope your kids are ok.

MILLYmo0se · 10/11/2024 08:49

FedupMum2024 · 10/11/2024 02:03

If anybody, man or woman, drunk or sober, had deliberately pushed my pram over with my 16 month old baby in it there would have been no need for police attendance,
I would have personally dealt with them myself in the most illegal way possible.
this would have been instinctive I am afraid.
I just cannot believe that you and all the other onlookers allowed this vicious evil animal to just walk away from this.

You would have ignored your upset child and your possibly injured 16 month old to physically attack and hold the individual responsible? No of course you wouldn't, your instinct would be to comfort and assess your children

Sugargliderwombat · 10/11/2024 08:50

FedupMum2024 · 10/11/2024 02:03

If anybody, man or woman, drunk or sober, had deliberately pushed my pram over with my 16 month old baby in it there would have been no need for police attendance,
I would have personally dealt with them myself in the most illegal way possible.
this would have been instinctive I am afraid.
I just cannot believe that you and all the other onlookers allowed this vicious evil animal to just walk away from this.

You wouldn't have checked your children first? Tut, tut. Shame on you.

leafybrew · 10/11/2024 08:54

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 10/11/2024 07:46

I don’t think the police time was unreasonable. It wasn’t life and death.

I think if anything the fault lies with the organisers. Why was there no security at an event that size? Why was she allowed to leave the event? Why did no-one else intervene?

Read the posts - she's already explained that usually it would be an event for 40 people but word had spread on social media and around 400 attended. And indeed it could have been 'life or death' if the little one had a serious head injury.

Sometimes shit happens.

And to all the posters having a go at the OP about various things (also known as nit-picking - ie saying it's a chat bot) FFS just get a life.

Aurorora · 10/11/2024 08:55

You’re going to need to use the local Facebook page.

Ask if anyone witnessed an assault on you and your children at the festival on x day x time.

Describe the woman. Ask if anyone has footage or photos of her to PM them to you.

post the image of the woman asking for her name if 100% sure it’s her.

Mention you’ve reported to the police and need her details to follow up

JasmineTea11 · 10/11/2024 08:56

Sorry this happened to you, no wonder you are shaken up.

I'm afraid the police are horribly understaffed, its absolutely not their fault. They hate it, its really stressful for them. They're dealing with people who are cross with them for coming late all the time, but they can't magic up new officers.
This was done to them by the coalition government in austerity, they were forced to get rid of 30,000 officers. Then once it was obvious that was a silly and dangerous idea, they were told to recruit and train 30,000 more. But that takes time, and they'd lost many of the experienced staff needed to supervise new officers.
They are victims of very poor governance. No I'm not a copper.

Yalta · 10/11/2024 09:00

herecomesautumn · 10/11/2024 08:38

Would you?

I did when teen who was in a group of disabled children tried to take 18 month old ds’s head off

I punched her in the face and in shock she let go of DS and started to scream about her own pain. Her carers did nothing apart from usher her quickly back to the minibus they had come in.