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Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

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Waitingforfriday75 · 09/11/2024 07:35

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/iraq-poised-to-lower-the-age-of-consent-for-girls-to-nine/

Posted here as it gets the most traffic. This is by far the worst news I’ve heard all year. Imagine at the age you were meant to start secondary school instead being forced to marry and have sex with an older man. Completely disgusting!!!

Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

A new law proposed by ultra conservative Shia Muslim parties seeks to strip women and girls of their rights

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/iraq-poised-to-lower-the-age-of-consent-for-girls-to-nine

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lasagnelle · 09/11/2024 10:48

BabyEl · 09/11/2024 10:36

Oh I see.

we are only worried about child marriage when it’s in the US. It’s ok when other people do it.

No but I was discussing the link that was shared about the USA.

Mochudubh · 09/11/2024 10:52

missymousey · 09/11/2024 09:33

"Literally decimated"? i.e killed 1 in 10 citizens? Check your facts!

I came on here to say this.

That poster knows the meaning of neither "literally" nor "decimated".

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 09/11/2024 10:52

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/11/2024 10:30

Women could drive alone in the UAE in 1985 and for all I know had been able to for a long time before that. Why are you making stuff up and presenting it as fact?

I came on here to say the same thing about women drivers in Dubai. From a quick google, it looks as if certain websites, as well as AI, think the UAE and Saudi Arabia are the same place. To the best of my memory, the driving ban for women was lifted in 2018 in Saudia Arabia which as you obviously know, is a completely different country to the UAE.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/11/2024 10:59

Wonderi · 09/11/2024 10:30

All of the females having sex/babies in the bible are under 12.

That’s no excuse to lower the age.

It was normal for young girls to be married at a young age in the olden days.
It was also normal to have slaves and god knows what else.

In the bible it was also encouraged for fathers to have sex with their daughters.

But we know these things are not ok and you can’t use a book from hundreds of years ago as an excuse.

The book or religion is irrelevant.
If they didn’t exist men would still be doing these things.

The bible doesn’t ‘encourage’ fathers to have sex with their daughters. The specific instance was in the Old Testament. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lots’ daughters got him drunk and seduced him - they were living in an isolated area and there was a shortage of sexual partners. Marriage between cousins and half siblings was common until the laws of Moses, but Leviticus and Deuteronomy set out a clear list of prohibited relationships including parents, siblings and even in laws. Marriage to a brother or sister in law was prohibited during the lifetime of the original spouse, even if divorced.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 09/11/2024 10:59

Even in ‘safer’ countries like the UAE, it only recently became possible for women to drive alone.

Tbf that's completely untrue. Women have recently been allowed to drive in Saudi, are you thinking of that perhaps?

Hotafternoon · 09/11/2024 11:03

JFC! Those poor girls.

Blueskies3 · 09/11/2024 11:04

I think 14 is too young and yes I do realise teenaged have sex, but I much prefer 16.14 should not be it in any country

Rosscameasdoody · 09/11/2024 11:09

dottiehens · 09/11/2024 10:07

Yes, for me it is the most disturbing news of the year too. Abortion issues in the US have mentioned everywhere before 2022.

I find your comment very odd.

I find the most disturbing news recently to be that yet another woman in the US has died because of miscarriage complications after basically being sent home to bleed out because the draconian abortion laws introduced in some states see certain interventions as abortion and threaten medics, as well as the women concerned, with imprisonment. I also find it disturbing that several women in the US have been accused of illegal abortion after having miscarriages, and were imprisoned until it could be proven otherwise. And that since the rescinding of Roe v Wade in the US, an unprecedented number of women in the UK have been investigated in relation to the 1967 abortion laws.

Wonderi · 09/11/2024 11:11

Rosscameasdoody · 09/11/2024 10:59

The bible doesn’t ‘encourage’ fathers to have sex with their daughters. The specific instance was in the Old Testament. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lots’ daughters got him drunk and seduced him - they were living in an isolated area and there was a shortage of sexual partners. Marriage between cousins and half siblings was common until the laws of Moses, but Leviticus and Deuteronomy set out a clear list of prohibited relationships including parents, siblings and even in laws. Marriage to a brother or sister in law was prohibited during the lifetime of the original spouse, even if divorced.

After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lots’ daughters got him drunk and seduced him - they were living in an isolated area and there was a shortage of sexual partners.

Ahh ok that makes it ok then.

So it’s ok as long as there is a shortage of sexual partners, got it.

Or perhaps we should say these books aren’t fact and even if they were, times have changed and we shouldn’t condone sex with children or incest etc just because it was written in a book.

We know that having sex with a child is wrong.
It shouldn’t matter what was written in a book 100s of years ago.

User1836484645R · 09/11/2024 11:11

It was normal for young girls to be married at a young age in the olden days.
It was also normal to have slaves and god knows what else

It was normal in biblical times because life expectancy was around 30 years.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/11/2024 11:13

MissyB1 · 09/11/2024 07:56

Oi! Don't bring your racism into this! Plenty of Muslims do not support Sharia law anyway. Do not lump all Muslims together and judge them on what Iraq are doing, you make yourself sound like a racist idiot.

And once again the shout of ‘racist’ to shut down free speech.

MatLeave · 09/11/2024 11:14

This is absolutely sickening. Poor girls

usernamealreadytaken · 09/11/2024 11:15

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/11/2024 10:44

Well when men stop raping women and pregnancy is risk free for all we can talk about it but until then I’d say responsible is a better adjective.

Perhaps the women who are stockpiling abortion pills should consider contraception. If they know they will be having sex and taking a pill, take the pill before, not after; that would be responsible.

Lentilweaver · 09/11/2024 11:15

OonaStubbs · 09/11/2024 10:20

This is one of the reasons I will always support Israel against Palestine. Women in Israel have far more rights and freedom than in any other country in the Middle-East. The bigger Israel gets, the freer the region becomes overall.

A good idea. Lets just slaughter 70% of women and children in Gaza. That will stop them from being married off at 9.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/11/2024 11:18

Wonderi · 09/11/2024 11:11

After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lots’ daughters got him drunk and seduced him - they were living in an isolated area and there was a shortage of sexual partners.

Ahh ok that makes it ok then.

So it’s ok as long as there is a shortage of sexual partners, got it.

Or perhaps we should say these books aren’t fact and even if they were, times have changed and we shouldn’t condone sex with children or incest etc just because it was written in a book.

We know that having sex with a child is wrong.
It shouldn’t matter what was written in a book 100s of years ago.

Grow up. Where did I say it was OK ? You said the Bible encourages fathers to have sex with their daughters. That is patently untrue, and this is reinforced in Leviticus and Deuteronomy which both specifically list prohibited relationships. If you don’t want to be called out, don’t make unfounded statements.

Justiceeternal · 09/11/2024 11:18

Brananan · 09/11/2024 09:37

Do we have Americans moving to this country and treating 10 year old girls in this way? I doubt it. However, we have a lot of issues with Muslim men and sexual abuse of girls in the UK - see Rochdale.

This whole thread has been created to demonise Muslims and to justify the genocide in Palestine. How do I know this? Within the first few replies support for Israel was requested. Noticed this has happened many times. Patriarchy is the root of all the problems in Muslim countries. Not Islam. Please educate yourself. Islam gave rights to women well before the western world. Some of the rights in Islam: right to own property, right to choose who they marry, right to own their own business, right to speak up for their rights etc Almost 1600 years before the west. Educate yourself before you spread misinformation. Some people are deliberately trying to spread hate of Muslims. Also apart from the Rochdale gang, there were several white grooming gangs - do we demonise all white people?

Frith2013 · 09/11/2024 11:18

hazelnutvanillalatte · 09/11/2024 07:57

Israel has maintained one of the lowest civilian to combatant ratios in the history of urban warfare, after a terrorist attack that literally decimated their population, and that was achieved by taking advantage of increased work permits and softening of the border.

You what?

BustyCrustacean · 09/11/2024 11:19

I expect the progressive left is horrified by this treatment of women and girls.

Expect defiant Saturday marches throughout our country.

Or maybe not.

Vinni8 · 09/11/2024 11:20

I had this headline as a breaking news notification of my phone, and I couldn't even bring myself to click on it. I'm so done.

Do these men not care about their daughters? There is something not right in the brain chemistry of a man who would be happy to have his daughter go through this.

I've given up hope on expecting men to view women as human beings outside of the lens of their own biological relation btw

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/11/2024 11:21

usernamealreadytaken · 09/11/2024 11:15

Perhaps the women who are stockpiling abortion pills should consider contraception. If they know they will be having sex and taking a pill, take the pill before, not after; that would be responsible.

And if they don’t know they will be raped or can’t stop it, what then?

Lovelysummerdays · 09/11/2024 11:26

It is shocking. I have twin 9yo girls. They are very much children. The idea that children their age could be forced into marriage is truely shocking. It reminds me of an article in the guardian from a few years ago.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/06/pleasure-marriages-iraq-baghdad-bbc-investigation-child-prostitution

Rosscameasdoody · 09/11/2024 11:26

usernamealreadytaken · 09/11/2024 11:15

Perhaps the women who are stockpiling abortion pills should consider contraception. If they know they will be having sex and taking a pill, take the pill before, not after; that would be responsible.

Did you know that the abortion laws introduced as a result of rescinding Roe v Wade disproportionately affect poor families, and specifically poor black families in the US ? Because these groups have little or no access to reliable contraception. And the laws around contraception are being revisited in many of the states which have enacted the strictest abortion laws, so there’s a very real possibility that women in the US, in the not too distant future will not only not have access to abortion, they won’t be able to prevent pregnancy either. The problem here is not abortion or contraception itself. It’s the thoroughly repugnant and entitled attitude of the MEN who are making these laws, which are entirely designed to restrict and censure women. It’s not about the unborn child. It’s about controlling these uppity women who have dared to think that they deserve equal status.

usernamealreadytaken · 09/11/2024 11:28

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/11/2024 11:21

And if they don’t know they will be raped or can’t stop it, what then?

If they don’t know they are going to be raped, why are they stockpiling abortion pills?

Rosscameasdoody · 09/11/2024 11:29

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/11/2024 11:21

And if they don’t know they will be raped or can’t stop it, what then?

I would imagine the mindset of those enacting the abortion laws in the US since Roe v Wade was overturned, would lead them to believe that somehow they ‘asked for it’. As I said upthread, the notion that these are altruistic laws designed to protect the unborn child is bullshit. It’s about control.

Wonderi · 09/11/2024 11:29

Brananan · 09/11/2024 09:37

Do we have Americans moving to this country and treating 10 year old girls in this way? I doubt it. However, we have a lot of issues with Muslim men and sexual abuse of girls in the UK - see Rochdale.

Look at how many men rape and abuse kids in this country, then look at the race and religion of them.

Muslim men are a tiny percentage of the men who abuse children and it’s predominantly white Christian or catholic men who commit these crimes in this country.

Stop getting your information from the daily mail or Facebook and look at the actual statistics.

Your attitude is the reason why so many men get away with it because people see one type of man as more dangerous than another.
Look at how many priests etc have been convicted of peadophilia.

Religion or race doesn’t come into it.
We could all be the same religion and there would still be child abuse.

We do not have a lot of issues with Muslim men abusing girls.

We have a lot of issues with men as a whole, abusing girls.