Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/iraq-poised-to-lower-the-age-of-consent-for-girls-to-nine/

Posted here as it gets the most traffic. This is by far the worst news I’ve heard all year. Imagine at the age you were meant to start secondary school instead being forced to marry and have sex with an older man. Completely disgusting!!!

I say this genuinely but please explain how Islam gave them women's rights. I'm really not being argumentative as someone married to a Muslim and so are our DC. But I've been told this many times and still none the wiser as to how as nobody who said it could elaborate substantially. I think I was merely told once, "They keep their name."

I question Tunisia. My stepdaughter was assaulted by her boyfriend while on holiday there. She reported it to local police and was taken aside and asked whether she really wanted to report this as assault, because the likelihood was that as a western woman she didn’t realise that the authorities would take her boyfriends’ word as the truth rather than listen to her, as a female. They would also scrutinise her account of what happened in terms of her own ‘contributing behaviour’ and other factors including how she was dressed at the time of the assault. Needless to say she didn’t report. Just got the first flight home.

I think most Western countries are relieved to see Israel taking down Hamas leaders which is why they are doing zero to stop the genocide in Gaza.

I think legally and politically they have full rights. Culturally most definitely not, although nor does the UK tbh as far as reporting sexual assault goes.

@LurkingFromTheShadows Exactly. How they can even refer to it as "consent" astounds me. How can any girl of nine give her consent to this? It sickens me. Who does these vile men think they are? Fills me with rage.

As in many non-Islamic countries also - Orthodox communities, devout Catholic communities, India.

I don’t really think this is a Islamic issue. I think that some men, not all men but certainly enough of them, are abusive predators. They find their ways into positions of authority and use it as a shield against their own transgressions and enable the abuse of others. We see it everywhere police, charitable organisations (aid workers trading food for sex?), religious institutions, Hollywood, Harrods.

None of it is acceptable. Should we condemn each and every ingress against womens and girls rights, absolutely. My issue is not with Islam in Afghanistan or Iraq it’s with the men who are imposing their own “interpretations” which infringes on the rights and freedoms of women and girls and enables abuse.

There are plenty of Muslims who would disagree with hardline sharia law. The arguement shouldn’t be about religion. It’s those of us who think woman and girls should have autonomy, be respected and their voices heard against those who don’t . Regardless of religion or race.

I didn't cover myself in India and never have.

I wouldn't be in an orthodox or devout Catholic community so that wouldn't apply.

Do you believe Islamic and western countries have equitable rights for women and girls?

Can you say more about where you would choose to live or bring up a dd

Why are you so angry about whether someone else covers their hair? It doesn't mean you have to do it. Wear what you want, do what you want, but other people's hair isn't worth spiking your blood pressure over.

I put these examples in response to some PPs on this thread. Westerners like to put Islamic countries in a box as if it's a monolithic, homogenous entity and all Islamic countries are the same. They aren't.

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Google search: all information is out there if you look for it.

yeah it’s not just Muslim countries

and disgusting men are everywhere

As well as Hamas does if you want to go down that route. Both sides are guilty of this.

Muslim communities are indeed free to enact full autonomy for women within the tenets of Islam, Brananan, and that includes all the things usually mentioned such as working, receiving an education, property rights, giving testimony, going out alone, choosing a husband and much more

Fundamentally Islam says that men and women are equal but not the same - complementary with their own roles to play rather than identical - and as said it's not the original teachings which get in the way here but the interpretation some men have put on them for their own ends

It's a huge subject infested like all religions with too many selfish interests, but I've linked a piece which explains a little of it: https://www.themuslimnetwork.org/articles/the-rights-of-women-in-islam-a-complete-guide

Absolutely

Maybe Hamas should have built some air raid shelters like Israel had to when their civilians have been endlessly rocketed at.

And stop using hospitals as command centres. How low can you get.

So firstly I would say we need to be cognisant of the fact we’re talking the 7th century and you have to considered the rights women had against the milieu

right to divorce
right ro refuse marriage
right to sexual pleasure
Right to inheritance and own land
right to an education
end of female infanticide (which was huge)
the refutation of the fall of man being eve’s failt
right to abortion

i appreciate these might seem like so what nbd but they actually really were.

the problem is Muslim men don’t seem to care too much for this precedence and either think oh well jobs a goodun then and don’t think these needs to be advanced or just the general tone of patriarchy that men actually don’t want women to have rights

And to the thread, I heard about this a few weeks ago. All of you pretend to care on here and then go about with your virtue signalling. You don’t care.

So you think supporting genocidal maniacs will help these girls? How exactly?

An example of the depraved indifference to
the lives of Palestinians. You can repeat the same old lines but none of it justifies the G-side. You’re a g-side supporter and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Not to the extent of killing 41000 civilians, no. And various organisations which have investigated Israels’ claims that Hamas are using the population as human shields, have found no evidence of it that meets international law. They considered Israel to be using human shielding allegations to justify their own war crimes against civilians, saying that when state actors, such as Israel, kill civilians, it’s become standard to describe them as human shields. And Israel’s response is widely considered to be neither reasonable nor proportionate under international law. You neglected to mention that the IDS have been using kidnapped Palestinians as human shields themselves. Forcing them into booby trapped homes and tunnels ahead of the soldiers. How is that any different ?

I did say this thread was to demonise Muslims and therefore justify what Israel is doing didn’t I? It’s not about women’s rights. If they cared about women/children they would be mourning the deaths of so many in Palestine instead of supporting and justifying it.