TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

You are right. There's a paper linking sudden deaths in athletes to the vaccine. It's written by professor z.faljoun and can be found on researchgate and pubmed.

It's sad that a lot of people posting here haven't done their research yet act like they know better.

Also there's the case of Oscar cabrero, a 28 year old professional basketball player who collapsed on court after the vax. He said himself it was the vaccine. He developed myocarditis. A year later he died during a stress test. Ah but because it didn't happen to Joanne with 3 kids the vaccine is perfectly safe. Some people are lucky they can live in such blissful ignorance.

Blood is taken during PM. You know from the vein.

Theres is not a chance an embalmer would see this on multiple occasions and not being it to anyone’s attention.
Do you think an embalmers comes across something really strange in a dead body and ignores it? but gossips about to their mates about it?

And even if they did, how would they know it’s due to vaccine. How did the embalmer conclude it was due to the vaccine?

Please share the research paper here from.Prof Z Faljorn. Well have a look. Thank you. 😊

Look into aseem malhotra. A senior heart consultant. His father died shortly after pfizer vax due to a heart attack. He's convinced it's connected.

There's also a senior uk oncologist specialist. Sorry I forgot his name linking return of aggressive cancers in patients who had previously had remission at a scale he's never seen before.

Then there's Mike Yeadon former VP of pfizer. Warning about the shots.

As well as countless papers talking about the vaccines and side effects on pubmed. Things like thyroiditis, myocarditis, pericarditis, gullain-barre, ckd, prion disease, MS, ALS, brain haemorrhage, etc.

Myocarditis has been on the rise since 1960s at least.

Nothing you wrote there is proof it’s the vaccine not Covid that has contributed to the increase since 2020.

It’s not proof that it’s the vaccine and not Covid it’s self.

which particular papers are you referring to? ( quick reading btw, very impresive)

the british heart foundation seems to think there's a link
"
Do Covid-19 vaccines cause myocarditis and pericarditis?
There is a link between mRNA Covid-19 vaccines and an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis"

.https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried

or are they a bunch of tinfoil hatters too?
or maybe on the grift?

You didn't quote all of it. Context is important

"Research shows that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine.

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 also have a much lower risk of getting other serious heart complications caused by the virus, including heart attack and stroke.

That is why the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) says the benefits of having the Covid-19 vaccine far outweigh the risks of not getting it for most people."

Are you going to share the research you referred to?

Al of this.

The trust the science brigade can't bear the idea they are wrong so when challenged start stooping to insults.

The burden of proof is on those making the claims. Would be lovely to see some links to back up the various claims made? Say it, prove it? That's generally how it works; not, say it then tell everyone else to go find what you claim. You obviously haven't studied at least at university level, have you?

Please share the research paper that you refer to. That's generally how it's done. You make a claim and add a link to the paper you say you are quoting from. Then people can read what you say. People often misinterpret information.

you could maybe be a bit ruder and more patronising if you really put your mind to it

@Notmoog doesn't change the reasonableness of the request. I've actually tried to find a research paper by a professor of the name given on the topic mentioned, and can't find anything. So unless that poster can link to the research they mention, whatever they say about it can be disregarded as it's not possible to check what they're saying is accurate, relevant, etc etc.

What you have linked clearly says

‘Research shows that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine.’

So the question ‘how do you know the rise in myocarditis is down to the vaccine and not down to Covid 19?’ seems to have been answered. By you.

You don’t know.

no, that wasn't a reasonable request. that was an excuse to be incredibly rude and i get the feeling whatever is linked would be disregarded ( unless it came from a beacon of scientific excellence such as the BBC, which you would bizarrely accept)

there is a risk due to covid, there is a risk due to the vaccine.
Why double your risk by having the injections?

I made a factual comment. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Yet to actually respond with a link.to the said research paper about the claims made. Therefore, she might have just made it up (as many do).

I robustly challenge what has been claimed. That's how things work in science. I'm challenging the poster's claims.

@Notmoog why would a research paper come from the BBC? I would be expecting a link to the research itself, in whatever peer reviewed publication it was originally published in. You object to the tone and the manner of the request, but the request for details on this apparent research is reasonable. In fact necessary for sensible debate.

Good grief. I've asked for a link to a research paper that shows what poster claimed, that's all. I don't want a media or newssite link. A link to the research paper that says what poster claimed. It's not been forthcoming though, yet.....

No. Covid-19 is much higher risk than the vaccine.

So you aren’t doubling your risk. Why havent you read the article YOU linked.

And that’s wasn’t the question. The question was ‘why are you convinced the rise in myocarditis is due to vaccine and not covid itself’

But you won’t answer it.

"But you won’t answer it."
Because you're an incredibly rude person so I'm not responding po you from now.
Enjoy the rest of your day and enjoy your feeling of superiority because you couldn't possibly be wrong, could you? not when the vaccine companies have assured you all is good as have the scientists ( well, the ones who are allowed a public opinion; not the ones with a different opinion obviously as they've been nicely quietened)

What have I said that’s incredibly rude?

You have posted an article that disproves the point you are arguing.

You avoided answering it and linked an article that says something different to what you claimed it was saying?

How is that rude? Do you know how a conversation happens? Just because people are challenging your opinion, it doesn’t make them rude.

See photo attached...you and myself haven't changed or moved, the left has become more extreme

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