TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

This! It astounds me that people have no issue at all with the fact Pfizer wanted 75 YEARS to release their data.

Yup, that's definitely the attitude of a company that has great faith in its product... 🤔

That other great anti vaxxer tactic : the swerve. I’ve made a stupid mistake but rather than admit it, I’ll change subject,

85% on this thread agree that this anti vaxx nonsense is bollocks.

Enough said I think!

I’ll leave the hardcore nutters to their little echo chamber.

All vaccines have a risk.

Yes, this we've always know. So why on earth they were mandating, coercing, bullying literally every single person on the planet to get this one KNOWING it would harm some people, I will never know.

I'm not sure why people ask other people to Google something that they could do themselves. It's like when people on local area forums ask what time x shop is open .......Google is your friend.

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I'd rather risk the side effects of a vaccine than deal with conspiracy shit. Cousin is a co-op undertaker she is laughing at the load of bull shit that the internet comes up with. She says categorically that she has never had to pull "stuff " out of veins. Other places yes but not veins. 😂

No, that's where you are misinterpreting it.

The advice in 2020 was that pregnant women SHOULD absolutely have the jab. Not that they should NOT.

Claiming that this detail hasn't been updated since suggests that the 2020 advice was that women should NOT because that's what the doc says now.

So this info must have been updated.

Thanks for the link. I've no idea what he is worth. Just that his viewing figures grew exponentially when he made the video about Ivermectin.

Before that I used to watch his updates on the progress of vaccination , new variants etc. Oddly enough , back then there would be lots of comments - usually from the USA - warning us that he was a shill for big pharmaceutica companies , besides just being ' an old poop nurse ' and not a real doctor of medicine. At one point he was knocking put 2 videos a day.
No wonder he can't be arsed to actually read this stuff! He just gets abstracts and underlines the bits he likes with his magic fountain pen.

Who remembers that one of the symptoms of COVID-19 was not having any symptoms? 🙃

"Hi Doctor, I think I'm ill."
"OK, what are your symptoms?"
"Er...I don't have any..."
"But, you said you're ill..."

What you are saying here is wrong in relation to quite a few areas. It was your choice to not have the vaccine. But quite a lot of what you have said is factually incorrect/badly informed. As quite a few posters have already explained.

The vaccines did drive down transmission/reduced symptoms on transmission, i am not sure why you think they didn't?

You do realise I’ve simply enjoyed taking the piss don’t you, and watching you get annoyed at being challenged?

Oh yes, realised quite early on. You've been doing it to everyone on here who even vaguely disagrees with you since you're so unable to discuss anything like an adult.
Also, you might actually want to read your above comment back. What part of the tone of that doesn't come across as bullying? Classic MN Mean Girl. Go you! 👍

People like you deserve contempt as you are dangerous, and people could be here for hours trying to reason with you (as many have tried, and given very intelligent and well thought out arguments)and you could be shown a million pieces of evidence that categorically proves that your arguments are illogical and you STILL wouldn’t have it, no matter what. You have to be correct, because admitting you’re even slightly wrong does not align with your delusions of grandeur and hurts your little feelings.

You’re quite the narcissist. You’ve spent all of this thread using deflection and projection tactics, acting extremely over confident, and on other threads you have played the victim when challenged by others.

Your deliberate misinterpretation of information and deliberate spreading of it is dangerous. You haven’t got a clue what you’re on about. I’ve read the other threads and they’ve been quite the entertainment, so it’s not all bad ❤️

Do I trust the very pharmaceutical company forced to pay the largest healthcare fraud settlement in history ($2.3 billion)? No, I do not.

That's precisely why, when that same company releases an updated official document (under duress!) stating their product is not suitable for pregnant women, after saying all along it was, I'm inclined to believe them.

K. Whatever.

That's quite the character assassination.
Dangerous!? That's a new one. Never been called that before. And mildly amusing since you're the one who's been pushing a medical procedure that's actually proven to be dangerous 😂😂

I might be all of those things. I also sleep soundly in my bed at night knowing I've hopefully stopped even just one person coming to harm. Can you say the same? 🤔 Happy stalking! 👍

All medical procedures have an element of risk. Hope you don’t need to see a doctor for treatment in the near future else you will need to refuse, and tell that doctor who has spent 10+ years in medical school etc, that he or she is wrong, because you, oh wise one, are well informed from the school of social media. Your lack of understanding or qualifications don’t matter one iota, don’t cha know? 🤣

If your posts are anything to go by, I would say my character assessment is bang on. Pretty obvious to me. Nighty night. Your brains need a rest.

Teenbiscuit

I wouldn't bother. Apart from the amusement factor some posters are so deluded that they know more than scientists who've spent a lifetime in their field because they've 'done their research' (social media) and so far down the rabbit hole or up their own ass it's pointless. Sad thing is they spread their misinformation and misunderstanding around to others.

No @Jumpingthruhoops

That report is the initial Public Assessment Report, written in 2020.

“The Public Assessment Report summarises the initial assessment at the time of approval in December 2020. The text in the original report remains unchanged.”

If you look at this statement the key wording is ‘initial assessment’ ‘time of approval in 2020” and ‘text in the report remains unchanged”.

When the Public Assessment report was written in December 2020, they were still waiting on data before advising pregnant women.

“These judgements reflect the absence of data at the present time and do not reflect a specific finding of concern.“

After December 2020 that data became available and healthcare professionals advised accordingly - but in December 2020 the advice was not to get vaccinated until more data became available.

Here are “updates”. When it states August 2024, these are how the adjustment would appear for that initial report.

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1. 8 August 2024
2. Removed 'Summary of Product Characteristics Comirnaty 30 micrograms/dose concentrate for age 12+ (purple cap)' and 'Patient Information Leaflet for Comirnaty 30 micrograms/dose concentrate for age 12+ (purple cap)' Following the recent withdrawal of the licences for this Comirnaty (COVID-19 vaccines) vaccine.
3. 21 March 2024
4. The product information of Comirnaty products has been updated following recent approval on PI updates (Sections 1, 2, and 4.8, and labelling) and shelf-life extension.
5. 22 December 2023
6. Update to section 4.8 of the SmPC to update the safety information available in 12-15 year olds.”

You cannot just change the wording of the Public Assessment Report. It’s still needed in its original format as an archived reference.

The advice now in 2024 is here taking updates into account.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-on-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding

It’s really important that pregnant women and their babies receive the safest advice possible, not advice that has been misinterpreted.

@Aibuforthisthought I know, one of my weaknesses is when someone tags or quotes me I find it hard not to respond, that’s that trouble, but it’s been highly entertaining. You can’t beat ‘em, might as well enjoy it 🤣. I know what some are like after having a few experiences of them, and I get entertainment out of knowing they get so pissed off when you see through the bullshit and actually have a logical argument that they don’t have an answer for. It’s the pure arrogance that annoys me when they are the most clueless group of people possible. Let em keep making fools of themselves and digging deeper holes. 😃

I have to laugh at you thinking you've got the upper hand. You completely lost this argument way back when you started being so fucking rude.
Calling me a narcissist when sheer arrogance just oozes out of your every pore. It's really quite breathtaking.

Interestingly, I tried to have a look through your posts for 'entertainment' - but I don't have a premium subscription to MN like you. Because, guess what, I have a life!

Maybe you should try getting one.
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Yes because embalmers have to inject and pass fluid through the veins hence why they find the blockages.

True.

It is amusing watching them show themselves up. They don't realise though and labour on. Perhaps pity maybe, or just laugh 😃

Well that's funny became a former vice president of pfizer and senior researcher Mike Yeadon has been warning people of the dangers of the vaccine. Also there are countless medical papers on withe side effects being caused on pubmed. There's even a paper on there describing the link between covid vaccine and sudden death written by Professor Z.Faljoun. There is a lot of censorship on social media actually. A lot of pro-vax misinformation actually. I do my research, much more than you have. Stop acting superior and better than others just because you have the good fortune to not be vax injured.