TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

[SensibleSigma]

someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

And that is also why people who do not understand Data should not make wild claims backed up with it.

This.

Vaccines have saved millions of lives since started. So much rubbish written about some vaccines.

Conspiracy theorists are having a field day with social media and so many believe an assortment of bizarre things because 'it was on Tic tok, X or instadope.

"Why are people so dumb about a bloody vaccine? If you’d rather have the disease then go for it 🙄"

yes, I would much much rather have the disease which has a miniscule chance of harming me rather than the injection

Read your post back - if women err on the side of caution and don’t get vaccinated until such time as there is no longer an absence of data…..if nobody gets vaccinated there would continue to be an absence of data!

So then that's an obvious Catch 22 situation isnt it. And basically, pregnant women are knowingly being guinea pigs?

Data to date points to the fact that adverse side effects in pregnant women are incredibly rare. Data also shows that pregnant women are at much greater risk of severe Covid infection, and also that covid infection in pregnancy significantly increases the risk of premature birth. This is why official government advice is that pregnant women should be vaccinated- the benefits outweigh the risks.

Wrong. That was the govt's advice initially. In 2022, when the first batch of Pfizer data WAS released, this data was updated with the above clear statement in plain English.

And since people are always encouraged to seek out official data, they are more likely to base any decision they make on this, rather than what some random like you says on the internet.

Your misinterpretation of facts IS misinformation. You are taking one sentence and continually quoting that when the document clearly states ‘unless the benefits outweigh the risks’. Data to date clearly shows the benefits do outweigh the risks.

I am not going to engage with you any further. Frankly I do think you are despicable - I am happy to engage in civilised debate, you are clearly not interested in this and resort to insults and accusations of mental illness.

I’m sure you will reply to this, I’m happy to let you have the last word as I place absolutely no value on your words.

Official guidance clearly states that pregnant women should be vaccinated. I sincerely hope that anybody, pregnant or otherwise, considering vaccination listens to health practitioners rather than a random on the internet.

So you mean you’re such an all knowing intellect that you took me laughing at you as me getting my knickers in a twist? 🤣 you keep telling yourself that. The level of utter delusion is palpable. Calling everybody else mentally ill and ignorant. Not only do you appear to have the self awareness and cognitive ability of young child, but also the terminology of one, too, if you frequently use ‘Karen’ as an insult

no it doesn't.....

"Safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time' and 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated'

Advice from actual qualified medical experts

COVID-19 vaccination: a guide on pregnancy and breastfeeding - GOV.UK

It absolutely is! Fascinating.
I’m disappointed the thread has gone the way it has, as really that’s why I didn’t want to google, but I should have realised it would.

See post by@Hoppinggreen - the current official guidance on vaccination in pregnancy.

@Jumpingthruhoops

1. you’ve linked advice from 2020 when the vaccine was first being rolled out
2. it clearly, clearly states that the advice was due to insufficient data at the time - and NOT due to safety concerns.

You haven’t addressed this?

What on earth are you talking about!?

You can share what you like from these 'experts': the document I shared is from ACTUAL PFIZER about it's own ACTUAL PRODUCT!?
I reckon Pfizer itself trounces on any of those experts in this scenario... ya know... since it actually makes the product these experts are referring to.

And, in said document, the most recent update for which I downloaded just YESTERDAY, STILL says what it said when the update was first issued in 2022, which is that:

Safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time' and 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated'.

Honestly, you lot are so far gone it's frightening.

@Jumpingthruhoops

Not because of safety concerns - because it has only just been rolled out and they were waiting for more data?

So, do you trust Pfizer or not? You’re not being logical at all, are you? This is the thing with you lot, on the one hand, you say Pfizer are in on the big conspiracy, can’t be trusted because they’re one of the elites, big pharma, they will say whatever suits them. Then on the other hand, you are believing what they say because it suits what you want it to. You cannot call yourself intelligent if you are not capable of balanced thought. You can’t just pick and choose what you believe Willy Nilly.

Do you think there's a greater chance of being harmed by the covid vaccine than by covid itself?

The advice from Pfizer was due to lack of Data as the vaccine had not been around for long, the link I provided is more recent. This advice is up to date and provided by the British goverment
And if you consider The Royal college of Gynaecologists and Obstetricians not to actually be experts then who would you cite instead?

for myself, yes I do.

Safety of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines during pregnancy - The Lancet Infectious Diseases

Analysis of several sources (although not any internet nutters in tin foil hats)

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff

Your natural instinct is 100% correct. There are some real deluded nut-jobs out there feeding these so-called 'theories' and sucking gullible people in, so pay no attention to them at all.

Fair enough
I think it should be an individual decision for each person based on weighing up the risks of having any medical treatment vs not by using PROPER MEDICAL EVIDENCE FROM ACCREDITED SOURCES.

OK... Now you are talking rubbish. So let's go in baby steps, to see if it gets in this time.

Step 1: The link I shared was this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/summary-public-assessment-report-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

Step 2: Click on said link. And up comes the below image which clearly states it was updated on 8 August 2024. This document was first updated in August 2022 to include the NEW advice for pregnant women, which still remains on this 2024 update.

The original document from 2020 - and therefore the OLD advice - said the jab WAS safe for pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers, not that it was NOT.

This particular claim was updated in 2022 when Pfizer released its first batch of official data and still remains in place on the updated 2024 version which I downloaded yesterday.

So, to summarise:
2020 = Vaccine considered safe for pregnant women.
2022 = Sufficient reassurance of safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time. Also, women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated.'
2024 = Advice remains the same as it was in 2022.

Now, what part of that timeline are you struggling with?

Screenshot below

@Jumpingthruhoops

No you’ve got it wrong. Sorry!

“The Public Assessment Report summarises the initial assessment at the time of approval in December 2020. The text in the original report remains unchanged.”

It may say updated 2024, but it’s what it said in the original document. TEXT REMAINS UNCHANGED.

It’s for reference, stating what the original report stated.

@Jumpingthruhoops please can you answer about myocarditis.

You claim the fact that it’s risen since 2020 is proof it’s the vaccines.

But it’s been on the rise for years. What accounts of the rise up to 2019?

And how is the rise since 2020 proof that it’s the vaccine?