TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

You won't find links because its been swept under the carpet. The point is, myocarditis is way more common now after the Vax rollout. Amongst other things. I know of people who died within days of having the second shot, and a close friends started having seizures shortly after. But of course it MUST be a coincidence.

Thats handy isn't it?
You make all these ridiculous claims but can't provide evidence because of even more conspiracy. Maybe Aliens or Unicorns or pixies killed "all those young footballers"? We have no way of knowing because "they" will hide the proof.

When will people realise that the absence of evidence isn't evidence in itself?

Of course it has.

How convenient for you.

There is indeed evidence that myocarditis and other cardiac issues have increased since 2020.

Here's my question - how do we find out if this increase is caused predominantly by the covid vaccine, rather than by covid itself?

Coronaviruses have been around since the 1960s.
Myocarditis has only been heard of since 2021. This answers it for me without a load of scientific jargon.

Myocarditis has only been around since 2021?

Are you sure about that?

Wow, you lot really are brainwashed aren't you!?

I honestly cannot imagine what it's like being presented with a clearly worded report from the official UK government that LITERALLY says the words in black and white:
'Safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time' and 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated' yet STILL calling it 'misinformation' and 'a conspiracy theory'.

I mean, seriously? Totally disregarding a clear statement of fact from an official govt source - not some 'random' on YouTube - yet scouring through the rest of the document to find the one, more convoluted reference that might, in the most miniscule way, add the tiniest bit of weight to your argument? At best that's totally desperate, at worst it's full-on mental illness.
Yet WE are the conspiracy theorists!?
😂😂😂😂
Yeah, we're definitely done here.

Myocarditis has always been around. Just the rates at which we're seeing it now has substantially increased. xx

Cardiac problems in the young started before 2020. The charity CRY (Cardiac Risk in the Young) was set up in 1995. Possible we hear about it more due to social media , and before it would have been noted as ‘natural causes’, rather than a heart condition.

Ah I get you.

But it’s not new. Which your post suggested it was.

And also cases of myocarditis has been rising, year on year, for many years.i this was happening before 2021.

I am on the fence about the vaccine but not sure I can agree with your statements.

And I think on this sort of subject we need to be explicit.

The Myocarditus Foundation in the US was set up in 2005.

You obviously think you have a superior understanding, yet you cannot comprehend the meaning of the collection of words you are reading.

It says a lot about the type of person you are that your style of debating includes accusing people of ‘full on mental illness’. Despicable.

I understand perfectly thanks. There's an absence of data. So, surely in that instance, it's better for people to err on the side of caution and not have it until such a time that there IS no longer an 'absence of data.

Otherwise, what's the alternative? Pregnant mother takes the jab and it DOES actually harm herself and/or the baby. Seriously? Why would you take such an unnecessary risk?

Wow! 😲

Eh?

I had myocarditis in 2020, caused by covid before vaccines were available.

Myocarditis was discovered in c.1900 btw - well, it had obviously been around a lot longer but it became a known, named condition.

There will never be experimental data available in the case of pregnant mothers. What we do have is years of observational data now, of women being vaccinated without evidence of harm vs non-vaccination. Most pregnant women are happy to be vaccinated as a result.

Myocarditis has been around for way, way longer than three years. Who told you that it's only been heard about since 2021? What else did they lie to you about?

There is unlikely to ever be evidence of the danger/lack of danger to pregnant women because its completely unethical to do clinical trials on them for most drugs - pregnant women are cautioned on virtually every drug leaflet out there.
What researchers do is look at the risk of being unvaccinated (known) and the risk of not being vaccinated (partly known due to animal and invitro testing) and make a clear and reasoned statement on whether its best to be vaccinated
So you really don't understand - you make wild claims with no substance quoting either crackpots or reputable sources but incorrectly and when challenged for actual evidence you can't provide it due to a "cover up".
As I said I really don't care what an individual chooses to put in their own body if they fully understand why they should or shouldn't do so BUT it really annoys me when people state this utter claptrap with misplaced confidence as it may stop other people saving themselves from serious illness or death.

Really?

Look up the official data for any medicine and you will find the same wording regarding it's use in pregnant women even those that have been used for many years by obstetricians.
COVID and other vaccines are given on risk versus benefit assessed by people who have to read all the evidence (been there done that signed on the dotted line) and not by social media butterflies.
There are so many things that pregnant women do that put the baby at risk - driving cars and being around small children with infections being the main ones.
Perhaps the alleged increase in clots etc is due to the microchips that were injected with the first round of COVID vaccination

Yes, as I said, myocarditis and other cardiac issues have increased since 2020. Hence my question - how can we know that the increase was specifically due to the covid vaccine, and not due to covid itself? There's a lot of literature about the impact covid infections can have on cardiac health.

Just calling it for what it is.
So, according to you, I can't call someone with cognitive dissonance 'mentally unwell'? Yet you can psychologically manipulate/gaslight me into believing that I 'cannot comprehend the meaning of the collection of words you are reading' when those words literally say: 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated'.
I mean, how much clearer do you need it?

Whatever. You do you. But don't you dare call facts printed in black and white from an official govt source 'misinformation'.

And that IS their choice. But the official line, as per this document, is not to. So those pregnant women are doing so at their own risk. A risk that I'm not sure many would want to take.

Read your post back - if women err on the side of caution and don’t get vaccinated until such time as there is no longer an absence of data…..if nobody gets vaccinated there would continue to be an absence of data!

Data to date points to the fact that adverse side effects in pregnant women are incredibly rare. Data also shows that pregnant women are at much greater risk of severe Covid infection, and also that covid infection in pregnancy significantly increases the risk of premature birth. This is why official government advice is that pregnant women should be vaccinated- the benefits outweigh the risks.