TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

[SensibleSigma]

someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

The only thing I've 'passed off as facts' are, er, the facts.
As I said, you still haven't told me what I've said that's incorrect?

I didn’t suggest she was a liar, I said you believe some anonymous randomer on an Internet forum too easily, no wonder you hold the beliefs you do if you are so inclined to be persuaded that easily. I’m simply responding to you and explaining my logic and trying to understand yours, you’re the one who is being most defensive here by using stupid examples to back up your points 🤣 I don’t have anything to defend, you do, but people with your mind set are impossible to debate with.

Things can be ‘factually correct’ but spun to suit your argument, another poster upthread explained the concept very well, you must have missed it. Go back and look. I can’t be bothered to keep arguing with you doing your mental gymnastics to try and win the argument 🤣

God, you do love twisting things, don't you? Questioning why I believe a 'random stranger' who says they've witnessed these heart issues first hand because it's their job, is effectively suggesting this person is just making shit up and is, in turn, a liar.

Also, stupid examples!? What, like Pfizer confirming in its own data that the jab should NOT be given to pregnant women, after it was mandated on those very women.
You mean those kinds of 'stupid examples'!?

Whatever. Think what you like. Couldn't care less. You've demonstrated here that you're clearly beyond help!
Night, night.

I twist things? LOL, what projection! I’m defensive? . Get real. You took some randomer on here at her word that she works in the field, then used my scepticism towards her as proof that I’m arrogant? You actually think that is any kind of argument? Hahahaha! None of us know her from Adam. I’m surprised you don’t still believe in Santa Claus if that’s the level of ‘proof’ you require 🤣

night, night 😘

It's a sure fire way of improving the gene pool in a species anyway.

I will spell it out. You are dumb. You therefore believe vaccines are harmful. You don't receive a vaccine. You die. You don't pass on your DNA. The gene pool improves.

There is a difference between good and bad science - by "good" scientists I was referring to the leading and independent epidemiologists in Hong Kong, South Korea and those they worked with across the world who had years of relevant experience in relation to animal to human transmission, SARS etc.

This is a thread which has a video of one of them explaining about the first gen Covid vaccines - if you read the thread and watch the video in full it will give a clear idea about the state of knowledge at the outset - 2020

www.mumsnet.com/talk/coronavirus/4052658-Leading-Epidemiologist-Update-and-the-John-Snow-Memo?reply=100923691

It sounds as though you were given misleading information.

I googled other known side effects and there is a BMJ article which says that there were some rare side effects found but so rare (0.78 in a million etc) they did not alter the overriding benefits of having the vaccine.

Please link to the Pfizer data you refer to that confirms the covid vaccine shouldn’t be given to pregnant women. I’ve looked and, as far as I can see, it doesn’t exist.

Btw I couldn’t care less whether you, or anybody else, chooses not to be vaccinated. It’s your choice. What I feel very strongly about is the spreading of misinformation.

The poster who said she scans people also said (if memory serves correctly) that she is not medically qualified.

Nobody disputes that the vaccines can have side effects, and rarely these can be severe. Can the vaccine cause myocarditis and pericarditis? Yes, it can. So can covid - I was hospitalised with myocarditis caused by covid before the vaccines were available. I have since had all my vaccines and boosters, i think my most recent vaccine was the 8th. No recurrence of myocarditis.

All the research I have read acknowledges that the vaccines can have side effects but finds that the benefits outweigh the risks. Anti-vaxxers seem to jump on bits of research and quote completely out of context, or (as another poster pointed out using an example of accident seatbelt wearing data) take an undeniable fact and gleefully use this as ‘evidence’ when in reality it only evidences their lack of intelligence.

Sorry you had the wretched myocarditis @Pollymollydolly . My brother got very bad Covid in 2020 too , pre vaccine. His heart would race for hours after modest exercise. Perhaps he had myo or pericarditis - not sure what the different terms mean tbh. But he has never seen a doctor about it so we live with the mystery.

John Campbell claimed that 7% of people who had the rna vaccine developed one of these conditions. That would be about 130 people in my small Irish village where you can't fart without your neighbours knowing within the hour. But I haven't heard a word about it so far.

This is a classic line trotted out by those who have buried their heads in the sands. Ask around - you may encounter at least one person who has been affected!

Similarly, I know of 13-14 people who have developed clots, had heart attacks, myocarditis etc....

@Marmunia10667

Whereas the ‘open your eyes’ ‘head in the sand’ - or sands?? as you put it - is that not a classic line trotted out by anti-vaxxers to infer that they somehow have superior knowledge, that sets them apart from us mere mortals.
Superior knowledge gleaned from m unregulated, often politically motivated ‘think tanks’ - and from social media echo chambers.

I am sure you genuinely do

Here's a link to the Pfizer data I'm referring to from this precise government report which, according to my saved screenshots from that time, was originally dated August 2022. The report clearly states that the Pfizer jab should not be given to pregnant women.

Here's the link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/summary-public-assessment-report-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

As of the documents most recent update, August 8 2024* (so, just a few months ago), this information from 2022 has NOT changed.

Written under 'Toxicity Conclusions' remains the following:

'In the context of supply under Regulation 174, it is considered that sufficient reassurance of safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time: however, use in women of childbearing potential could be supported provided healthcare professionals are advised to rule out known or suspected pregnancy prior to vaccination. Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated.'

(*Note that, just now, I searched generally for this document in Google and no search results came up. It was only when I searched my camera roll and found the screenshot I'd taken back in 2022, then typed that exact title of the report into Google, that it then comes up in the search results. So in order to come close to finding this report on Google, you must know exactly what to look for online.)

Hope it helps. However, I would frankly consider this document to be one of the FIRST people would've analysed before engaging in debates around jab side effects and conspiracy theories.

@Jumpingthruhoops

It specifically states that’s not down to a concern about safety.

It’s because of an absence of data.

“The Public Assessment Report summarises the initial assessment at the time of approval in December 2020. The text in the original report remains unchanged.”

@Jumpingthruhoops

You've linked to a report written in 2020, where they’ve kept the original text for reference.

At that time they were waiting for more data before advising. This was not due to a concern about safety.

You can also tell whether a body was moved after death by the position of the clots.

Many years ago 2 people in DHs family sat down with a cup of tea to watch tv and were found dead with the tea half drunk and the tv still on. Incidents separated by a few years. Should we assume that either the tea or watching tv killed them rather than they were both elderly and had sudden heart attacks?

I like to tell people how BIL had his jab and within 24 hours was critically ill in intensive care where he stayed for 3 weeks to see if they assume it was the vaccine rather than nearly bleeding out following a Darwin Award level action when he was already on blood thinners for another condition.

Exactly
Yet another example of people who don't understand Data OR Pharma trying to spin facts to suit an agenda.
Drugs are generally not tested on pregnant women or children so there is an absence of data around the safety and efficacy for them. That is not the same as saying "we tested this on pregnant women and the data suggests its dangerous

Read this whole thread.
The term conspiracy theorists is so outdated, anyone who thinks critically beyond 'what we have been told' and those who are 'highly educated in a field' are dismissed and Branded as conspiracy nuts etc etc. Its actually a form of gaslighting. There is a lot of proof that the covid Vax has damaged and killed a lot of people. Look at all those young footballers some of the fittest people in the country, dropped down dead after the Vax. Is that normal?
Also teaandbiscuits's posts are the perfect example of cognitive dissonance. You keep on believing that these experts have got the public's health at heart.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation
Pregnancy
There is limited experience with use of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2in pregnant women. Animal studies do not indicate direct or indirect harmful effects with respect to pregnancy, embryo/foetal development, parturition or post-natal development (see section 5.3). Administration of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 in pregnancy should only be considered when the potential benefits outweigh any potential risks for the mother and foetus.
Breast-feeding
It is unknown whether the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk.
Fertility
Animal studies do not indicate direct or indirect harmful effects with respect to reproductive toxicity (see section 5.3).

@Jumpingthruhoops As @HippoCamping and @Hoppinggreen point out it clearly states the reason is lack of data, not any specific safety concerns. I also clicked through the provided link which led me to the above - and multiple ongoing studies show that the potential benefits DO outweigh any potential risks for the mother and foetus.

@Abhannmor sorry to hear your brother had myocarditis too, hope he has made a full recovery. I also don’t know anybody who has had any adverse side effects from the vaccine. I unfortunately do know several antivaxxers who swallow hook line and sinker everything charlatans like John Campbell and Barbara O’Neill say. Strangely enough it was one of these people who was very unwell with covid - but when recovered she came up with some batshit theory as to why she was affected so badly, despite dosing herself with ivermectin (yes,really!) and naturally it didn’t have anything to do with the fact she was unvaccinated. As I said, I don’t care whether people choose not to have the vaccine - it’s their choice. I hate the way these people spread misinformation which unfortunately can prevent others from making an informed choice.

How ironic, you bang on about ‘critical thought’ when none of you would have a clue what critical thought actually entailed if it slapped you in the fucking face 🤣🤣🤣 it’s just some buzz word you’ve picked up from others saying it online, along with ‘cognitive dissonance’. You’re all so delusional that it’s quite concerning how far a lot of people’s mental health has sunk since COVID. It really is. We no longer value intelligence, fact and reasoning. Now it’s just any old sod thinking they’re experts with their 1 GCSE.

I won’t be engaging any further, it’s pretty pointless as you are totally incapable of understanding any view point past your own delusions, that’s how intelligent you all are. Believe what you want, you do anyway. As I said previous, it’s a wonder you don’t believe in unicorns, Santa or the Easter Bunny. Good day 😊

ALL those young footballers?
How many young footballers exactly dropped down dead and had their death proven to be due to the vaccine by properly qualifed medical professionals? and please quote your source.

The tide is turning, Idaho in America has banned six counties from giving out the Covid jabs.

Let's hope the ball keeps rolling.

You literally said a few posts up that you wouldn't be engaging any further 🤣

I haven't read the full thread as it's gone wildly off topic but thought I'd add this. My taxi driver in Dublin last week had spent 12 years as a 'freelance embalmer' - which is definitely a thing in Ireland where rural areas have no need for a full-time member of staff doing it. He recently got out of that work but one thing he did say that was interesting was that it was becoming a more difficult job to get right because all the medication people take to keep them alive these days, can react with the embalming chemicals in unexpected ways. He said he'd seen people go very strange colours when he embalmed them, and some medication they'd been taking when they died reacted!
This was happening pre-Covid, so isn't related to Covid or vaccines, but developed over the 12 years he was working.

Not sure if that's of interest @SensibleSigma !

That was two nights ago, and I didn’t engage with that particular poster any further. Surely in all your superiority you picked up on that? Or are you that same poster under a different name? Either way, shame there’s no cure for stupid. I might as well talk to a wall. I’d get more sense out of it. Ciao! 😘