TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

At the end of the day there's no vaccine for stupid. Even if there was, they wouldn't take it.

Demonstrates my point very well.
One person references the BHF to back up the idea that the Vaccine causes heart disease and another says the BHF website is downplaying the risks as they are funded by the Govt - which is it?

This is what they do, move the goal posts to suit themselves, just ignore anything they don’t want to believe and then call themselves intelligent. The whole reason people subscribe to them is because they don’t understand the complexities of scientific research, so instead of accepting their weaknesses, they just ignore it and do mental gymnastics to maintain their own egos. Blaming someone makes them feel more in control. I find it hilarious they have the nerve to refer to other people as ‘woefully ignorant’ 🤣

How fascinating! How did they distinguish between a) patients who had myocarditis etc caused by the mRNA vaccine, b) patients who had myocarditis etc caused by COVID, and c) patients who had myocarditis etc caused by something else?

"Quite. Those who were paranoid/anxious about having the vaccine should have been encouraged in their nonsense fears in the hope they would then refuse it.
That way, COVID stood a chance of killing them and thereby increasing the overall IQ in the remaining gene pool."

you sound pleasant ( and uninformed re. transmission)

Why is it hard not to believe there’s some truth in it?

What have you been offered that makes you more willing to believe that than any contradictory proposition? How has what you’ve heard addressed the evidence given in those contradictory propositions?

What, in short, makes this so easy to believe?

My rule of thumb, incidentally, is ‘Never believe anyone who feels that an exclamation mark clinches it.’

I think you're getting confused about something quite simple. there are lots of people with lots of different opinions. You are assuming individual people are changing their opinions when in fact you are reading opinions from lots of people.
Quite easy really

No. Not all opinions are created equal. John Campbell knows what he’s doing, he is deliberately omitting and misrepresenting things to suit himself because he has realised this gets him more views. If something has a strong logical basis and has been repeatedly demonstrated using robust data and methods, then that should be accepted until something else leads people to think differently, and even then, consensus does not usually change wildly from one point to the next.

I could have the opinion that the sky is green, it doesn’t make it true or logical. When did we stop valuing intelligence and critical thought and start giving people the idea that all opinions are equally valid and anything goes? It’s a load of absolute bollocks. If that’s the case, how do we ever know what is true and what isn’t?

gosh, it's really not difficult.
No matter what the opinions it is not logical to hear lots of opinions and decide the same group of people are stating all of them and changing their minds every few minutes.

"No. Not all opinions are created equal."
i never said they were.

No, conspiracy theorists frequently move the goal posts on their opinions, it’s not always different people with different opinions. When challenged, they will often think for a minute and then say things like, ‘’well, it must be this then…’’ or ‘’yeah, that evidence you just showed me doesn’t prove anything, they’re all in on it’’ I have spoken to many of the same people who change their opinion more than I have had hot dinners. They don’t know what to believe because they have no idea what is true, they just pick up any old shit and run with it, as long as it says it’s all a big conspiracy then they aren’t fussy, they will claim ‘’they were right’’

As an aside, could someone please explain the difference between verified data and robust data?
Robust data seems to be touted as the gold standard to interpret results from but even after many years in medical research I have never once heard the phrase "robust data" so could anyone who uses the phrase enlighten .

Excess deaths are down this year. The highest spike was understandably during 2020, pre vaccine. They were still higher than normal in 22 and the first 6 months of 23, but have been on a downward trend all this year.

Basically there's no good evidence young people, or in fact any people are currently dying at a higher rate than average and in fact deaths have slowly come down from much higher rates at peak covid since the introduction of the vaccine.

There is some evidence that lockdowns and the pandemic reaction was bad for our health in general and it's taken a few years to recover from that

Pretty much the same thing. Robust to me means well sampled, reliable. Just a different terminology I suppose

So all those deaths were a lie and your friend base is elderly, immune suppressed and vulnerable and they are all up partying?

My friend has myocarditis caused by slapped cheek a fit healthy 30 year old before

I recommend the YouTube videos of the Australian immunologist Dr Susan Oliver. She was a guest on the podcast of John Campbell until she noticed he had misunderstood a report about Ivermectin. She tried to tell him privately but he has blanked her.

So she makes short videos debunking what she calls ' anti vaccine bollocks'.
Her dog 🐶, Sindy , is very cute also.

My favourite type of anti-vax videos were those ones of people fake trembling while sitting there fully made up with their fake nails and hair extensions in. Looked like utter prats. What happened to those shakey people? Haven't seen one of those pop up for ages.

My favourites are the ones who examine their blood and urine to find the 5G-activated self-assembling nanobots that they are convinced were injected with the vaccines. The thought of them crouched over piss-smelling microscopes, seeing crystals of urea or calcium and mistaking them for nanomachinery, brings me joy.

@HowardTJMoon the government in power at the time quite literally could not even organise a piss up without someone ratting them out yet the piss inspectors and their pals want us to believe the same people have been able to stay quiet about a sinister vaccine which is part of some new world order plan / injecting us with 5g / A N OTHER bat shit theory.

I wish I knew these people in real life. I have loads of magic beans I need to sell. Maybe a bridge or two as well. All 5g free.

what an odd set of people you know then.
Myself and many people I know refused the injections and have the opinion that they have done more harm than good for the majority of people but our opinion hasn't changed over the last however many years

and most bizarre made up anecdote award goes to .......

You think there aren't people who are convinced the covid vaccines contain self-assembling nanobots that are activated by 5G? Want some links?

I'm sure there are but I can bet you have never encountered one ( unless you work in an acute psychiatric ward) so looks very silly to pretend that's a wide held belief you have come across

Excess deaths are down most likely because of the shift in goalposts:

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/excess-mortality-within-england-post-pandemic-method/a9b0ef01-a08f-4e8e-b655-86b67791199d